Thoughts on the H-1B visa clash

[PurpleTree]

How i understood it basically Musk, Vivek and other tech guys think these visas are needed for their companies and the US to prosper.

Trumpers who are against the visas often have racist attitudes towards the visa recipients and think Americans should do the job.

Some leftists also think those visas are bad because of exploitation, union etc. issues.

I think it’s an interesting fight.

Trump sided with Musk and them.

Edited December 31, 2024 by PurpleTree

[Buck Edwards]

Yea those visas are why America exists. 

[Hojo]

BS excuse to not uplift your own society. These people are insane.

[PurpleTree]

 

[kray]

10 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

How i understood it basically Musk, Vivek and other tech guys think these visas are needed for their companies and the US to prosper.

Trumpers who are against the visas often have racist attitudes towards the visa recipients and think Americans should do the job.

Some leftists also think those visas are bad because of exploitation, union etc. issues.

I think it’s an interesting fight.

Trump sided with Musk and them.

Racist maga people just mad that these billionaires depend on these smart immigrants who just happen to be brown. It triggers them like anything.

[kray]

10 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

Yea those visas are why America exists. 

And is an extremely prosperous nation. These immigrants are the powerhouse behind some of these tech companies.

[Jacob Morres]

Yeah the movement was mega racist, probably the worst I've seen toward indians in America. At least in my lifetime 

Mix of jealousy, white supremacy and anti-indian sentiment  is what it seems like to me 

 

Edited Wednesday at 10:20 AM by Jacob Morres

[PurpleTree]

I can understand both sides of the argument.

If i was Elon, Bezos or another tech billionaire I’d also love the visa. Makes cheaper workforce that can easily be controlled, no unions, less quitting jobs (because when they quit they risk being deported)

Which means more money power and control for me. 💜 maybe also hollowing out the US middle class. Which makes for an easier controllable population.
 

But probably such visas in a way do keep the US economy afloat. And many americans are maybe not ready to work crazy shifts and sleep at Elons office. Maybe they have a family and hobbies or something.

If i was a Trumper build the wall type guy i’d obviously feel betrayed by Trump and them. And obviously they go straight to racism.

 

[Tanz]

Trump, Elon, and Vivek all need an hour long interview on why they support it and let the people decide what they think about this.  

If Americans are not qualified for such jobs, what can be done to make them qualified.  Facebook, Google, Apple, Tesla are all guilty of abusing people with this work visa because they have to stay quiet to and work hard to stay in the country.  All these woke companies that claim they care about people are abusing foreigners because they can.  This is why they want the Visa to exist so they can do it.  

If Trump is consistant with America first and make America great again, he needs to reduce the amount of people so that American's have priority for these jobs.  
If you take the capitalistic view of course you'd allow such visa's to exist because you can pay the worker less and get more output per dollar spent which is ultimately what Elon, Vivek, Trump and these companies are all about.  They dont have any political ideology when it comes down to it, they just care about what makes them the most money and what is the most effective way.  

Edited Wednesday at 07:23 PM by Tanz

[zazen]

 

 

A message sent with two ticks, but will it be read..

This is a constant tension that manifests itself in many domains: how to structure a society that creates quality and excellence whilst also providing equality and dignity for the collective.

Or in simpler terms it could be worded: how to obtain quality (domestic or global) without creating inequality to the degree of destabilising society.

Edited Wednesday at 09:21 PM by zazen

[PurpleTree]

Delicious exploitation.

Gosh Kyle is amped uuup.

[hoodrow trillson]

I hope things like this stresses them out for the next 4 years non-stop.  They need to see and feel how stupid they all are.

[PurpleTree]

 

[Lyubov]

This visa is exploited by these “utopian builder” tech guys who want to hire smart Indians and Chinese to build their tech apps. This is why they sided with Trump. They can lobby him for this shit more easily than dems who do support these visas but also support unions and worker rights. In theory it’s a good visa to have, get the best of the best from all over the world, in reality it’s also used an out for these tech guys to enrich their companies at the expense of our our citizens. Invest in Americans first. These tech guys want oligarchy and will support any policy that helps them build their “legacy.” 

[Lyubov]

8 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

I can understand both sides of the argument.

If i was Elon, Bezos or another tech billionaire I’d also love the visa. Makes cheaper workforce that can easily be controlled, no unions, less quitting jobs (because when they quit they risk being deported)

Which means more money power and control for me. 💜 maybe also hollowing out the US middle class. Which makes for an easier controllable population.
 

But probably such visas in a way do keep the US economy afloat. And many americans are maybe not ready to work crazy shifts and sleep at Elons office. Maybe they have a family and hobbies or something.

If i was a Trumper build the wall type guy i’d obviously feel betrayed by Trump and them. And obviously they go straight to racism.

 

Exactly. This merit based approach was tolerable for most citizens when there was less inflation, housing shortages and income inequality. I’m entirely for a reinvestment in the USA first, especially to reign in a lot of these tech oligarchs. But the intention behind most who are against this visa is mostly racism. I think it’s a bit challenging to recognize both sides and set reasonable intentions for how this should go forward because both sides have bad actors pushing for their interests. We are fucked letting tech bros dictate immigrant policy so their can build their businesses and we are fucked if we push for America first which rednecks get their racism boner up to. 

[kray]

8 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Exactly. This merit based approach was tolerable for most citizens when there was less inflation, housing shortages and income inequality. I’m entirely for a reinvestment in the USA first, especially to reign in a lot of these tech oligarchs. But the intention behind most who are against this visa is mostly racism. I think it’s a bit challenging to recognize both sides and set reasonable intentions for how this should go forward because both sides have bad actors pushing for their interests. We are fucked letting tech bros dictate immigrant policy so their can build their businesses and we are fucked if we push for America first which rednecks get their racism boner up to. 

I think policies should cater to the average American, who for the most part aren’t in the extreme. The racist maga people are just in the minority, not the majority. Most are just Americans who are desperate, and as a child of Indian immigrants, I do agree that we should invest in our country first. However this country was always built on immigrants coming here, and that’s a legacy we should be proud of, and honestly made our nation great. I think what we need to do is level the playing field for everyone, native born citizens and immigrants, and ensure that we remove shady practices used to exploit immigrants. This is not the first time immigrants got hate in this country, but we need to find a purpose, an aim that unites all Americans together.

[kray]

If we were a European country or old world country whose economy and identity was built on the people native to the lands, I would 100% be for restricting immigration. But the US is not that, as much as racists want believe so. We have always been the country where people immigrated into. I think it’s rather weird that most of these nativist arguments are coming from Jewish Americans, such as Laura loomer. Like don’t they know that most white nationalists want these people dead, and deported to Israel? 

[PurpleTree]

^It’s not necessarily only about immigration but also about workers rights, unions, tech billionaires gaining more power and money while exploiting "cheaper” workers, playing sides against each other and so on.

Edited Wednesday at 11:09 PM by PurpleTree

[Jacob Morres]

@Lyubov pretty much my opinion as well 

I do wanna say that I think the exploitation claims are vastly blown out of proportion. My dad came to America on an h1b 30 some years ago and he comfortably raised a family of 4 in a high cost of living area. He was also paid equally to the rest of his company. I know many people in this same situation. Not sure how many are actually exploited 

Edited yesterday at 12:14 AM by Jacob Morres

[PurpleTree]

Wasn’t this guy a Trumper just a while ago?