Ram Dass gave Neem Karoli Baba LSD and it didn´t affect him at all?

[Javfly33]

https://www.ramdass.org/ram-dass-gives-maharaji-the-yogi-medicine/

Story about when Ram Dass gave Maharaji a bunch of LSD and apparently didn´t affect him. 

I find shocking to think this kind of stories are true. A realized Yogui is supposed to be able to "master" their own "inner chemistry", but to the point of blocking a bunch of LSD? Seems superpower-like. 

But maybe is possible? Seems legit how Ram Dass tells the story in this clip:

 

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Javfly33
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[Jowblob]

From my understanding everyone lives in their own reality/dream, ram dass gave the LSD to his version of karoli in the dream, meaning he was the one projecting neem karoli seeing neem karoli as his own version. This is why you can watch videos of your guru healing people in videos or giving them shakti energy, but when you come to your guru you won't feel or witness anything.

Most of the events that you witness within your consciousness/reality are fragments from infinity that usually already happend, let's say if you as god would reincarnate in the year 1970 like 20x as 20 different people. You would ultimately create 20 different fragmentations/reality/videos etc. I have witnessed this many times.

Then in your current version, you take these stories/realities/versions of yourself from infinity and witness them. In higher state of consciousness i have witnessed that it loses its structure sometimes, and i would see the same live video with the same comments 3 months apart for example. Ofcourse i have many more examples, like my neighbour playing a the same movie  sounds like 10x and i can hear it through the wall, then i go to the wall do some things in my mind that i cant explain here and suddenly it's gone the frequency is changed and she is playing something else. ALL IS HAPPENING IN YOUR MIND, that's why we can't use physical tools to measure it because it's literally your mind. I already tried to measure but realised it was my own mind doing this.

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[Buck Edwards]

I don't consider this to be some kind of super power though. Different people can react very differently to LSD. 

I'll only believe that someone has a super power if they can accurately predict my future looking straight into my eyes. 

[Davino]

Everyone forgets the part when Neem Karoli Baba recommends LSD and talks about it like the Yogi's medicine. Just advises to avoid taking LSD when it's very hot.

[Hojo]

You are dealing with very different people here. This is who you are trying to emulate if you are talking about yogi.

2:00, warning nudity. They are weird people.

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Hojo

[Davino]

Yes, yogis are weird

The kind of weird people I'd like to hang out with

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

Everyone forgets the part when Neem Karoli Baba recommends LSD and talks about it like the Yogi's medicine. Just advises to avoid taking LSD when it's very hot.

he says it something like that at the bottom of the article

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When I asked him if I should take LSD again, he said, “It should not be taken in a hot climate. If you are in a place that is cool and peaceful, and you are alone and your mind is turned toward God, then you may take the yogi medicine. 

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Javfly33

[Salvijus]

I believe the message Maharaji was trying to send is that psychedelics are a child play to an enlightened yogi. Not the message that his genetics don't respond to this particular substance. That would've been a useless message. 

[Davino]

@Javfly33 Yes, I'm acquainted with the full story. I tried to point out how the narrative that is usually quoted for saying classic spiritual practices are better than psychedelics is in fact a story about a saint which was very open about psychedelics, tried them and recommended them.

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

I believe the message Maharaji was trying to send is that psychedelics are a child play to an enlightened yogi. Not the message that his genetics don't respond to this particular substance. That would've been a useless message. 

Right, I agree.

38 minutes ago, Davino said:

@Javfly33 Yes, I'm acquainted with the full story. I tried to point out how the narrative that is usually quoted for saying classic spiritual practices are better than psychedelics is in fact a story about a saint which was very open about psychedelics, tried them and recommended them.

For sure, I personally do not think classic spiritual practices are better than psychedelics, in terms of instant effects/results psychedelics are x100 more efective, I just think they should not be compared at all they are two different things.

Because in how understand things, psychedelics give you peek outside the curtain, while classic spiritual practices are supposed to get you out of the curtain for good 👍🏼

Or at least thats why I do them anyway. If the Goal for me now were looking outside the curtain I would use psychedelics , they are x1000 times more effective for that.

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Javfly33

[Jodistrict]

Psychedelics at best can get you on the path but they don't substitute for a spiritual practice.   At the end of a trip you are left with a memory and your samskaras are intact.    

[RightHand]

The guy just let him swallow 900mcg? That's wild.

[M A J I]

What people have to understand is the hallucinations are mind and when you are embodied in no-mind you do not experience external hallucinations.

Awareness is prior to Mind so those who are in Awareness are in total control of the reality / experience. The only reason we "trip" because we are not in god-consciousness or such Awareness.

I experienced this on my first DMT experience, at first I had all these visions, and tricksters and geometry and images and then I meditated deeper and realized all of this is still mind and illusion and all the hallucinations dissolved and I was in pure Awareness / Oneness.

However, not everyone's role in life is to remain in such a state of non-duality. Very very few people will take on the path of full and total surrender of ego. Most people, even most people on these forums, will not become such examples. Your path is to be yourself as fully as you can.

Ego is not bad, a healthy ego is one who is in alignment with the soul or higher self, thus can walk as christ (in the world / middle way).

The True Self is infinitely more powerful than any psychedelic. Because true nature predominates reality itself. Psychedelics are within reality, yet reality is within the true nature. So YOU the REAL YOU creates all of this and is in control.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by M A J I

[Javfly33]

@M A J I 💯 thats amazing wisdom, thanks for sharing, I can agree with everything you said, very empowering and It makes sense 

[M A J I]

Namaste