Toxic dating works better and it's killing me - how to stay authentic?

[CARDOZZO]

22 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Women are relationship centered. Not fuck centered. 

Ok. Do you really believe this?

Women are out there on parties twerking on guys to become their wives?

I do not buy this narrative.

[Whitney Edwards]

Just now, CARDOZZO said:

Ok. Do you really believe this?

Women are out there on parties twerking on guys to become their wives?

I do not buy this narrative.

I mean most women want relationships if that isn't clear or loud enough. Most high quality women. I am not talking about trashy women who just sleep around with every tom, *ick, harry in vegas clubs. If you mean those women, aren't they easy to sleep with given that they fuck anyone who offers them a drink? 

[CARDOZZO]

I know. It is harsh to hear that. Man in general are not doing good in life. 

[whh2222]

13 minutes ago, Tenebroso said:

It's very clear from everything I have seen and experienced that being a good man means absolutely nothing to women. If women care about the qualities they say do, they have a funny way of showing it. 

They definitely dont when it comes to attraction. Or the goodness has to blend with some other attractive quality. But pure character nahhh

One of my friends is one of the nicest genuine guys I know with a beautiful fiance. but hes also 6'2, blonde, smart, and comes from a rich family. 

Edited January 3 by whh2222

[Raze]

10 minutes ago, Emerald said:

But they were already exuding red flag vibes that scare women away. They just weren't aware of it. But it comes through in the vibe.

And then, they think, "I guess women just like assholes. I need to become an asshole to get women to like me." But they were unconscious to the fact that they already were giving off asshole vibes.

Then what about this?
 

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Females that desired marriage were more attracted to the narcissistic personality than their counterparts who did not desire marriage. This finding is problematic from a female perspective as the narcissistic male is primarily short-term mating goal orientated and does not provide a suitable long-term partner.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S019188691500210X?via%3Dihub
 

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Results suggest that delinquency serves to increase romantic involvement

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/248967485_Do_bad_boys_really_get_the_girls_Delinquency_as_a_cause_and_consequence_of_dating_behavior_among_adolescents

 

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Results show psychopathy was related to sociosexuality, specific factors of social intelligence, and generating higher desirability ratings from women after controlling for men’s physical attractiveness. Analyses involving comparisons of two men showed women’s ratings increased in favor of the more psychopathic man.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-019-00213-0

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Responsiveness may signal to a potential partner that one is concerned with her or his welfare, and may therefore increase sexual interest in this person. Research shows, however, that this proposition holds true for men, but not for women

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25062930/
 

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Adolescents who are willing to exploit others for personal gain are more likely to bully and have sex than those who score higher on a measure of honesty and humility.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/12/171214140807.htm

[CARDOZZO]

20 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

aren't they easy to sleep with given that they fuck anyone who offers them a drink? 

Of course not. They work. They can buy a drink. The game is not easy for man. That's it. 

Stay hard guys.

Edited January 3 by CARDOZZO

[CARDOZZO]

It is hard to explain what it is to be a man these days. It is like you (women) trying to describe what it is like to have a baby.

[Whitney Edwards]

7 minutes ago, Tenebroso said:

Women are just as fuck centered for a small minority of men. Women love sex but only a very small percentage of men can really bring that raw, carnal side out.

Women love sex within the context of a relationship. They want hot passionate sex with someone they develop an emotional connect with. 

If a woman wants to fuck a random dude, that's usually if he is way too out of out her league and extremely handsome and hot and someone she is irresistibly attracted to, she wouldn't care about his character or money at that point, she wants to be his muse even if it's for  one night. Such dudes are extremely extremely rare though, they are hearthrobs and they don't need any game, they are just extremely charming and the woman cannot resist but be sexually attracted to him. 

However most men aren't this "rare." 

[Whitney Edwards]

6 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Of course not. They work. They can buy a drink. The game is not easy for man. That's it. 

Stay hard guys.

Maybe they come to the club to enjoy themselves. Or else they sleep with men who got game. I don't know the solution to your problem. Maybe date more. Maybe socialize more. 

Don't be blackpilled. 

And romance isn't the end of the road in life. There's way more fun in life than romance, family etc. 

[CARDOZZO]

https://www.youtube.com/@psychacks 

Woman - just see this channel. You will get good views on how man are operating these days.

Orion is giving great advice in general.

[CARDOZZO]

17 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Maybe they come to the club to enjoy themselves. Or else they sleep with men who got game. I don't know the solution to your problem. Maybe date more. Maybe socialize more. 

Don't be blackpilled. 

And romance isn't the end of the road in life. There's way more fun in life than romance, family etc. 

I was just exposing what I see. I am dating a lot. I just can't accept biology rules. But it is what it is.

If you see me on the streets you would call me a chad (6'1, beard, athletic, brazillian bad boy )

[Whitney Edwards]

3 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

(6'1, beard, athletic, brazillian bad boy )

Mysterious girl somewhere twerks for you 

[CARDOZZO]

20 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Mysterious girl somewhere twerks for you 

 

They do. 

Not wife material  

[Whitney Edwards]

5 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

They do. 

Not wife material  

Wife material is generally a high quality woman. 

Thats kinda hard to find so I empathize with your struggle. 

Wife material is like 1 in a million. But such women calibrate and calculate a lot. They are often sought after by many men and they are very selective in the men they want to be with. Because they are perhaps looking for a perfect husband material 

 

Edited January 3 by Buck Edwards

[Emerald]

6 minutes ago, Raze said:

Then what about this?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S019188691500210X?via%3Dihub

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/248967485_Do_bad_boys_really_get_the_girls_Delinquency_as_a_cause_and_consequence_of_dating_behavior_among_adolescents

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-019-00213-0

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25062930/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/12/171214140807.htm

I'm just telling you what I've experienced.

When guys conceptualize themselves as a "nice guy" and get upset that "Only the jerks are getting laid. I'm going to be a jerk", they tend to express with more repellent behavior when they try.

I've been not he receiving end of it before.

But of course, people are not very conscious. Women are included in that.

And I've seen plenty of women in my hometown go for violent domestic abusers who ruin their lives.

But the preference really comes down to this...

"At least in the short-term, narcissists are frequently perceived as charming, popular, socially confident and entertaining."

The issue is that a lot of women see through rose-colored glasses and only see the charming, popular, and socially confident side. 

But if I think about my friend Randy (who is a super popular and warmhearted Masculine guy... and whose been with his partner for like a decade now), he was always super popular with his female peers because he was charming, popular, confident, and entertaining. And he was even a bit edgy.

And girls were very taken with him.

So, I take it more as a case of correlation and not causation. 

Women like confident men with an edge who push the envelope. And a lot of narcissists are confident men with an edge who push the envelope... but will also make life hell.

[Whitney Edwards]

This reminds of the quote: "You won’t find a good wife at a bar or club, but in libraries and universities“

Or men want a woman who is hot and attractive like a porn star but faithful as a good wife. Madonna whore complex that a lot of men suffer from where they begin to pigeonhole women a bit too much. 

Just like a woman cannot get a great loving husband and a bad boy wrapped into one, a man cannot get everything he wants in a woman. You want a woman that twerks like a porn star but is working in wall Street and has the solemness of a librarian. I mean you want everything in a woman. That's impossible. I have seen women who are intelligent, in  academia and very well mannered but they aren't highly sexually attractive, they don't drink at a bar. I mean life can't be that romantic. 

You men fantasize too much. Maybe Hollywood corrupted you a bit. I blame pop culture for this. 

Edited January 3 by Buck Edwards

[Emerald]

48 minutes ago, Tenebroso said:

It's very clear from everything I have seen and experienced that being a good man means absolutely nothing to women. If women care about the qualities they say do, they have a funny way of showing it. 

I'm just going to give it to you straight because it would do you a disservice otherwise.

You don't really give off the vibes of a good man. And you don't come across as kind or nice.

I'm not saying you come across as bad or evil... but you come across as self-deprecating and having the potential to be quite toxic because of your victim narratives.

And that makes you a potential emotional and physical danger from a woman's perspective because you see women as more powerful than you and are very attached to how women think about you... and you won't be attuned to the fact that you actually have more power than them physically.

[Emerald]

28 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Wife material is like 1 in a million.

Why frame it as such an extreme rarity?

It's probably more like 30% of people (men and women both) are capable of having a functional relationship.

And the only reason why that number is low is because the general populace has a lot more to learn about relationships, emotions, trauma, and authenticity in interdependent relationships.

[Whitney Edwards]

Just now, Emerald said:

Why frame it as such an extreme rarity?

It's probably more like 30% of people (men and women both) are capable of having a functional relationship.

And the only reason why that number is low is because the general populace has a lot more to learn about relationships, emotions, trauma, and authenticity in interdependent relationships.

Yea I was exaggerating a bit. 

[Emerald]

Just now, Buck Edwards said:

Yea I was exaggerating a bit. 

Okay, I thought you meant literally.