Chris Langan Man With 200 IQ

[Salvijus]

Let's establish the fact that intellect(gnana) can be used to achieve yoga first, then we can discuss how successful Chris has been in doing that. 

Edited Wednesday at 06:06 PM by Salvijus

[Inliytened1]

7 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

 

I'd say a big issue is defining intelligence as intellect.

Excellent point.

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

But also sometimes an old fool CAN just take a psychedelic and awaken.

The point is that intelligence is not the main factor, or else all the smartest people would be awake.

Agreed.

[Inliytened1]

28 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Let's establish the fact that intellect(gnana) can be used to achieve yoga first, then we can discuss how successful Chris has been in doing that. 

Achieve yoga? What does that mean? 

How does this process work.  

I can tell you the self inquiry DOES work.  If done properly.  And only requires average intelligence but more importantly an open mind.  

Edited Wednesday at 06:32 PM by Inliytened1

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

I mean yeah I am lucid in the dream now..although most times I just lose myself in it.  I cause myself a lot of unnecessary stress when I get lost like that.  But it's what makes it real.  If I were to stay in a state of Absolute Consciousness I couldn't exist as this particular ego..which I currently am very attached to for whatever reason.  Maybe because the whole dream will dissolve with the ego.  So I'm very attached to the dream. To the point I'm surprised I woke up at all with self inquiry. But maybe i hold on tighter now after awakening.

 

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1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Let's establish the fact that intellect(gnana) can be used to achieve yoga first, then we can discuss how successful Chris has been in doing that. 

How'd that work? Isn't intellect supposed to be dualistic in nature? 

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Achieve yoga? What does that mean? 

 

I Guess he means Union. Achieve Yoga would be achieving union or non duality, since Yoga = Union

The word 'Yoga' is derived from the Sanskrit root 'Yuj', meaning 'to join' or 'to unite'.

[Salvijus]

J krishnamurti is one example of gnana yoga in practice. 

[Salvijus]

https://www.khabar.com/magazine/spiritual-straight-talk/gnana-yoga-is-not-about-philosophies

 

[Leo Gura]

Actualized.org IS Gnana yoga.

But even so it will not be enough without changing your state.

You can question mercilessly and have a sharp intellect but without changing your state you will never understand God.

[Tanz]

On 12/30/2024 at 4:43 PM, Leo Gura said:

You can't prove the existence of God. And his work certainly doesn't do that.

People who read his work will be as clueless about God as before they started.

You will not reach God through any kind of logical system.

Even if he's wrong, at least his method is getting a good number of materialist into looking for God.  I believe in one of his talks he talks about direct experience being the only way to truth.
He just isn't good at teaching people how to arrive to direct experience or God realization

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Tanz said:

Even if he's wrong, at least his method is getting a good number of materialist into looking for God. 

His work is so full of jargon that I don't know who will understand it. It obfuscates Consciousness more than it clarifies it, IMO.

I have a hard time believing that anyone reading his work will awaken from it.

Edited Wednesday at 08:37 PM by Leo Gura

[Nilsi]

39 minutes ago, Tanz said:

Even if he's wrong, at least his method is getting a good number of materialist into looking for God.  I believe in one of his talks he talks about direct experience being the only way to truth.
He just isn't good at teaching people how to arrive to direct experience or God realization

The only reason people watch this garbage is the "man with 200 IQ" clickbait.

If those so-called "open-minded materialists" actually cared, why aren’t they diving into someone like Peter Ralston instead?

Nerds flock to nerds. Which is precisely why no one in this community takes continental thought seriously, dismissing it as confused, overly stylized ramblings. Meanwhile, those who engage with it - making careers out of peddling low-quality commentary on big-name European intellectuals via social media, and often serving as the sole point of contact with profound metaphysical thinkers like Nietzsche, Lacan and Deleuze - only reinforce the stereotype that European philosophy is nothing more than an aestheticized, politically charged spectacle of "academic philosophy."

Edited Wednesday at 09:04 PM by Nilsi

[PenguinPablo]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Awakening is a function of state, not intellect.

Which is why no one at MIT is Awake.

Elon Musk is a great example of that form of blindness. 

And his brother does Ayahuasca, so he has probably communicated some deep insights to Elon. 

 

Edited Wednesday at 08:40 PM by PenguinPablo

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

What's that even mean 😳 

I mean yeah I am lucid in the dream now..although most times I just lose myself in it.  I cause myself a lot of unnecessary stress when I get lost like that.  But it's what makes it real.  If I were to stay in a state of Absolute Consciousness I couldn't exist as this particular ego..which I currently am very attached to for whatever reason.  Maybe because the whole dream will dissolve with the ego.  So I'm very attached to the dream. To the point I'm surprised I woke up at all with self inquiry. But maybe i hold on tighter now after awakening.

 

All that of the dream is meaningless. There is no distinction between dream and reality, what reality is you cannot define, being awake is realizing now what reality is, it is something outside of thought, thought occurs in reality. What you seek is to open your mind to the total often, this opening clarifies your human reality, gives it meaning, you perceive its movement and its vitality, its direction, which is to open more and more to the absolute, to increase its level of consciousness. You understand that after this cycle there is another because you feel the existence alive that can't die. Calling it a dream or not is irrelevant, it is the manifestation of the absolute. Be aware about what is makes you realize that you are appearing now as this experience. You now are alone in the infinity without any fundament now but same time part of a bigger game, see it directly is inspiring . Solipsism means that there are infinite others, but anyway you are alone in the abyss of existence 

Edited Wednesday at 08:50 PM by Breakingthewall

[Salvijus]

I believe Peter Ralston falls under the category of gnana yoga. 

Case closed. 

[Tanz]

43 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

His work is so full of jargon that I don't know who will understand it. It obfuscates Consciousness more than it clarifies it, IMO.

I have a hard time believing that anyone reading his work will awaken from it.

1% would be generous but those same people probably would not be interested in your work or someone like a Rupert Spira

[UnbornTao]

On 1/1/2025 at 8:34 PM, Nilsi said:

The only reason people watch this garbage is the "man with 200 IQ" clickbait.

If those so-called "open-minded materialists" actually cared, why aren’t they diving into someone like Peter Ralston instead?

Sounds about right.

@Salvijus Krishnamurti and Ralston would likely call that, even dismiss it as, a belief-based system. Their teachings do not promote hearsay. If you call it "truth seeking" (if that's the goal, which isn't a given), it doesn't sound so promising, except as an ideal. People seem to be predisposed to fantasizing and not so much to personally questioning stuff.

Edited 18 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Ralston would likely dismiss gnana yoga as a belief system

Sadhguru clearly said it wasn't a belief system.

But Ralston is overly dismissive of anything not of his own making.

Edited Wednesday at 10:54 PM by Leo Gura

[UnbornTao]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Sadhguru clearly said it wasn't a belief system.

But Ralston is overly dismissive of anything not of his own making.

Maybe for a reason. But why call it Gnana Yoga in the first place? And what is its goal?

What Sadhguru is up to, as far as I can tell, is disseminating beliefs, and telling people how to live their lives.

Edited Thursday at 02:26 AM by UnbornTao

[Leo Gura]

Gnana yoga is just deconstructing everything and having existential insights, as we have been doing with this work.

Sadhguru is not teaching Gnana yoga, he is teaching more like Kriya yoga.

You can call it whatever you want. I call it contemplation.

Edited Thursday at 12:46 AM by Leo Gura

[UnbornTao]

23 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Gnana yoga is just deconstructing everything and having existential insights, as we have been doing with this work.

Sadhguru is not teaching Gnana yoga, he is teaching more like Kriya yoga.

You can call it whatever you want. I call it contemplation.

Calling it that might lead people down unfruitful paths. Call it by its name and be clear on its purpose. 

If you call it contemplation, it doesn't sell as well, but clearly it is more honest--again, if both paths share that practice in its pure state, which is doubtful. But chances are, if someone says he's "doing" gnana yoga, he's following a dogma.

Edited Friday at 12:42 AM by UnbornTao