Are you ready to give yourself up?

[PurpleTree]

27 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I feel ready too

 🤞 

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Through meditation for example?

Yes meditation , really opening of your being to the now. You said that you get total dissolution so for you seems easy. The point of enlightenment is Going beyond the void. It's quite simple really. First you are totally trapped in form, seemingly impassable energy layers that keep you creating mental structures from which it is impossible to escape. Each apparent exit leads you to other structures, and you get lost in them.

At a certain point, they dissolve. With meditation, psychedelics, whatever. Then you feel that reality is empty, indefinite, dead, unreal, since you are totally attached to the form. Then you intuit that in dissolution is the path you must follow, you pursue it and do it again and again, until for you the void begins to be something normal.

Then you realize that the void is full of you, you are that. What? You, reality, what is. Then you begin to open yourself to it, to its quality, its substance, and you see that form and formlessness are the same, that life and death are exactly the same, you are here, now, with your mind and your heart open to the totality, then you try to open yourself more and more, the path starts to be fluid

[Sugarcoat]

22 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes meditation , really opening of your being to the now. You said that you get total dissolution so for you seems easy. The point of enlightenment is Going beyond the void. It's quite simple really. First you are totally trapped in form, seemingly impassable energy layers that keep you creating mental structures from which it is impossible to escape. Each apparent exit leads you to other structures, and you get lost in them.

At a certain point, they dissolve. With meditation, psychedelics, whatever. Then you feel that reality is empty, indefinite, dead, unreal, since you are totally attached to the form. Then you intuit that in dissolution is the path you must follow, you pursue it and do it again and again, until for you the void begins to be something normal.

Then you realize that the void is full of you, you are that. What? You, reality, what is. Then you begin to open yourself to it, to its quality, its substance, and you see that form and formlessness are the same, that life and death are exactly the same, you are here, now, with your mind and your heart open to the totality, then you try to open yourself more and more, the path starts to be fluid

Beautiful 

[Schizophonia]

@Breakingthewall Can you describe what you mean by self, self dissolution, void etc ?

I am not interested in spirituality from that angle, so i fail to understand, but i am interested. I need to be accompanied in understanding.

[Breakingthewall]

40 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

@Breakingthewall Can you describe what you mean by self, self dissolution, void etc ?

I am not interested in spirituality from that angle, so i fail to understand, but i am interested. I need to be accompanied in understanding.

Self is the human structure, built on a foundation of fear and need for acceptance and belonging genetically encoded by millions of years of evolution from which many layers of identification and attachment are created. 

To dissolve the self is to observe it, to realize that it is a structure that is superimposed on you, not you, and having the intention of seeing through it, to break it. 

Void is what happens when the self disappears. Like a drug addict who is addicted to drugs, at first when the self disappears only the limitless emptiness is perceived and this translates into a feeling of absence, of lack of everything, death. There is simply nothing and you are nothing. If you manage to accept the void and be the void without rejecting it or needing to fill it, the reality of what you are begins to manifest.

The void is the total potential, it opens and its absolute power manifests. One side is nothing, the other is everything, and they are equivalent. It is not mysterious, it is obvious. In the absence of limits anything blurs to zero, but in the absence of limits the substance of reality expands to infinity.

[Schizophonia]

39 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Self is the human structure, built on a foundation of fear and need for acceptance and belonging genetically encoded by millions of years of evolution from which many layers of identification and attachment are created. 

To dissolve the self is to observe it, to realize that it is a structure that is superimposed on you, not you, and having the intention of seeing through it, to break it. 

Void is what happens when the self disappears. Like a drug addict who is addicted to drugs, at first when the self disappears only the limitless emptiness is perceived and this translates into a feeling of absence, of lack of everything, death. There is simply nothing and you are nothing. If you manage to accept the void and be the void without rejecting it or needing to fill it, the reality of what you are begins to manifest.

The void is the total potential, it opens and its absolute power manifests. One side is nothing, the other is everything, and they are equivalent. It is not mysterious, it is obvious. In the absence of limits anything blurs to zero, but in the absence of limits the substance of reality expands to infinity.

Sorry if i sound stupid lol 😅  but i can't seem to get it, to connect to your way of thinking and therefore paradigm, if you see what i mean. 

I see things like that : 

In one way or another "i" (god ? consciousness ? divine camera ?) arrived in a field of experience, i can more or less "grasp", discriminate, recognize these dimensions of experiences.

These experiences are made up of other experiences that are also conceptualize.

For example i have to deal with "3D" which itself is made up of "Euclidean geometry", "distance" etcetc and is intertwined with parallel games like "color" or "song".

At the moment the most apparent big game is that i am an "human" who "posts" "from" "a" "computer" "on" "Actualized" "while" "drinking" "an orange" "juice", and sometimes use "google translate" when tired which means that like @Sugarcoat my "i" in my sentences are mysteriously capitalized. (👀)

Jokes asides then i can play try to remember why and how of all this mess and why not change the game by manifesting stuff, it also seems that if "me" dies i will change the game.

I have games that I can easily leave because of my level of consciousness ("I" as an adult do not play the same games as "I as a child"), others that sometimes come back in force without me noticing and sometimes seem uninteresting (political example) but this concerns very imaginary games.
Classic games (3d...) always seem very real/relevant, it's here.

Do you mean that with enough consciousness 3d will disappear? Or rather that it will become intangible?
Like i will see my computer, my house, the city, the maya in general into its usual form insofar as normal human experience, but the "logic of 3 dimensions" will seem unreal and lose its substance?
Is this what you call emptiness?
Why are you looking for awakening? Is it a game in itself or is it ultimately always part of a usual game from a human point of view? (because it would help you feel good, to manifest things in one way or another)

Edited Sunday at 07:00 PM by Schizophonia

[Breakingthewall]

39 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Why are you looking for awakening? Is it a game in itself or is it ultimately always part of a usual game from a human point of view?

3 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

@Breakingthewall 

Because I perceive clearly that the human structure is a jail, like an energetic structure that limits you with the goal of making you a cog in a machine. I find it unsatisfactory, the real thing is unlimited, being limited is always unsatisfactory, in any case.

43 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Do you mean that with enough consciousness 3d will disappear? Or rather that it will become intangible?

Just you will perceive the structure of this experience and you will be free of their bondages.

46 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

one way or another "i" (god ? consciousness ? divine camera ?) arrived in a field of experience, i can more or less "grasp", discriminate, recognize these dimensions of experiences.

I think that the reality organized itself in increasingly complex energetic patterns cyclically because it's inevitable, and all this that we call life is that evolutionary movement, which has infinite ramifications, like everything else. The direct perception of infinity is freedom, the realization that you are unlimited.

[Schizophonia]

26 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Because I perceive clearly that the human structure is a jail, like an energetic structure that limits you with the goal of making you a cog in a machine. I find it unsatisfactory, the real thing is unlimited, being limited is always unsatisfactory, in any case.

Just you will perceive the structure of this experience and you will be free of their bondages.

I think that the reality organized itself in increasingly complex energetic patterns cyclically because it's inevitable, and all this that we call life is that evolutionary movement, which has infinite ramifications, like everything else. The direct perception of infinity is freedom, the realization that you are unlimited.

Thanks for your pov.

[Breakingthewall]

What spirituality is is looking directly into the abyss and become it, to expand and forget about yourself. To open your mind completely now, without any energetic barriers, without limits. It is not something that is achieved by stopping thought with techniques, but through will. You want to open yourself, you want to give yourself. To what extent? To death, you have to slowly accept total dissolution and desire it. There are barriers, I have them, you have them, but in the end we all die. Why not now? Beauty awaits. I perceive it, it's becoming more and more clear. Inside is everything

[Inliytened1]

On 12/30/2024 at 8:57 AM, Sugarcoat said:

All you’ve ever experienced is what is right in front of you. Thoughts, sights, sounds, not even those things, the immediate appearance.

How come then when you for example read the news you really feel like there’s a real world out there with real events and people?

How come when you are in history class you really feel like there’s a past with real people and real events? And why can’t you shake this seeming sense of reality?
 

How come you can discuss all these topics in the forum and feel like it’s all real?

Because you have a self. That’s it. The self is the basis for everything. It’s the sense of I’m here and the world is out there. Real solidity here creates real solidity out there. This one separation, this one border between you and the rest gives rise to all else meaning. 
 

You can talk shit about this but are you really ready to give it all up? Because it includes everything, all your meaning making, all your sense of a society existing and events happening and people existing. All relating, relationships etc. It all goes down the drain.

All your discussing about this and that and feeling like what you’re discussing is real. Are you really ready to give up your entire reality? Because that is what you give up if you give up your self. 

Awakening happens by surprise.  You have to surprise the ego or simply pverwhelm it with psychedelics which shifts your state.   But meditation can shift states the same way.  The key is you can't be expecting it.  And you better believe that after Awakening your ego will be even more on guard.  It doesn't want to die even if you realized it isn't real.

[Breakingthewall]

@Inliytened1 of reality is as to believe, that you are god imagining the reality, why you can't fly?