"Reality is imaginary. That's the ultimate understanding." blog post. What about love

[Loveeee]

2:09:05 

Leo explained here and many other times that Love is THE answer, the facet of all facets, so what's up with that blog post 

[Someone here]

I would not take Leo's words as a gospel or the ultimate truth unless you can verify them in your direct experience first.

He is convinced that reality is imaginary or illusory in some sense or another ..and that's understandable for someone who has hundreds of trips on psychedelics under his belt...And in a sense reality is indeed imaginary. At least some of it . Like nighttime dreams .don't we all agree that dreams are imaginary? 

The ultimate truth in my opinion though cannot be encapsulated in a quote or a single sentence.  If you want the ultimate truth written you will need an infinite sentence. 

It's neither love nor imagination yet both and none !

Edited December 30, 2024 by Someone here

[Leo Gura]

What is the contradiction?

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Like nighttime dreams .don't we all agree that dreams are imaginary? 

Yes, and nighttime dreams can feel so real you wake up sweating or even tired of the nighttime dream (or nightmare).

So, I'd go further and say, yes, you are in a dream, but trapped in your own dream, who is the dreamer I'd ask.

If the dreamer awakes from the dream, the dream will never be the same, ding dong. Maybe there will be no dream anymore? Since the dream needs unconsciousness of the dreamer to keep going 

[The Crocodile]

I don't agree that dreams are imaginary.

[Buck Edwards]

1 minute ago, The Crocodile said:

I don't agree that dreams are imaginary.

So you mean dreams lead to the truth? 

[The Crocodile]

Just now, Buck Edwards said:

So you mean dreams lead to the truth? 

Sure, also, that it's a real energy environment.

Or if you see someone in your dream, it may actually be them, some projection or pattern offshoot of them or their sleeping self.

It's just a nonphysical emanation of reality. It's a mistake to think that one's life or the emanations of creation are confined just to the material universe.

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, The Crocodile said:

Sure, also, that it's a real energy environment.

Or if you see someone in your dream, it may actually be them, some projection or pattern offshoot of them or their sleeping self.

It's just a nonphysical emanation of reality. It's a mistake to think that one's life or the emanations of creation are confined just to the material universe.

Give me concrete truthful honest examples. Which dreams of yours have come fully true? 

There's another phenomenon called premonition if you're alluding to that. Premonitions are different from regular dreams. 

I have never or seen anyone fully prove that dreams became real. 

If you don't have concrete examples, it's your own invention then. 

[Loveeee]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

What is the contradiction?

You taught that the ultimate understanding is that reality is love, not that reality is imaginary, you're the one who made that distinction even though yes both are just facets and ultimately undistinguishable

[Buck Edwards]

5 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

You taught that the ultimate understanding is that reality is love, not that reality is imaginary, you're the one who made that distinction even though yes both are just facets and ultimately undistinguishable

Funny observation mathematically —

Reality is love. 

Reality is imaginary. 

So.... 

Love is imaginary. 

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

You taught that the ultimate understanding is that reality is love, not that reality is imaginary

I've taught both for a long time now.

You guys are too blinded by love and not seeing the imaginary nature enough.

Edited December 30, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Maybe there will be no dream anymore?

Honestly I'm not sure.  What I'm noticing though a theme in your posts recently about "stopping dreaming" or stopping existence.  Are you depressed?  Why do you want to stop existing forever?  I'm not sure either about whether that's possible as well or not . But my reasoning says that since existence exists right now ..then the natural conclusion is it has always existed and will always exist . Even in physics classes we were taught that energy neither can be destroyed nor created .

[Loveeee]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

I've taught both for a long time now.

So love is just another facet ? Are all facets created equal ? 

[Someone here]

40 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

I don't agree that dreams are imaginary.

OK so a dream is an objective landscape that exists on its own outside of your imagination? Interesting. 

[Buck Edwards]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Honestly I'm not sure.  What I'm noticing though a theme in your posts recently about "stopping dreaming" or stopping existence.  Are you depressed?  Why do you want to stop existing forever?  I'm not sure either about whether that's possible as well or not . But my reasoning says that since existence exists right now ..then the natural conclusion is it has always existed and will always exist . Even in physics classes we were taught that energy neither can be destroyed nor created .

I understand your point about the conservation of energy. However, consciousness and subjective experience seem different from physical energy. Do you think they are subject to the same laws? 

What do you think happens to consciousness after death? Do you believe in an afterlife or some form of continued existence?

Have you considered that 'existence' might encompass more than just individual human lives? Perhaps it refers to the ongoing cycle of life and death, or the vastness of the universe itself?

 

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

So love is just another facet ? Are all facets created equal ? 

Just?

Nothing about God is "just".

These so-called facets are not discreet objects, they are features of the one and only substance: Consciousness.

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

However, consciousness and subjective experience seem different from physical energy. Do you think they are subject to the same laws? 

the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant..This law  means that energy can neither be created nor destroyed..but rather it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another. For instance ..a block of ice cannot get destroyed..it can be turned into liquid water or steam but it cant be annihilated .

another example is that chemical energy is converted to motion energy when a dynamite explodes. If you add up all forms of energy that were released in the explosion it  will be the exact decrease of chemical energy in the combustion of the dynamite.

6 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

What do you think happens to consciousness after death? Do you believe in an afterlife or some form of continued existence?

 Read NDEs .

When you die you will first see a replay of your entire life in quick flashes .then your brain will release insane amounts of DMT .and you will enter a DMT trip basically where consciousness will begin to get speed up and you will see some weird ass hallucinations. Then after your brain is completely out of function ..the hallucinations will stop and something from two possibilities will occur .because there isn't a third possibility:

1.  Either all of perceptions of any kind will completely disappear and you will enter a state of complete formlessness forever  .
Or..

2.another dream/life /experience  will magically appear out of nowhere just like how this life appeared. It doesn't matter what are the details of this new experience/lifetime.  The only thing that's sure is that there will be consciousness of some sort.
I can't think of a third possibility.

8 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Have you considered that 'existence' might encompass more than just individual human lives? Perhaps it refers to the ongoing cycle of life and death, or the vastness of the universe itself?

Sure . Existence is the sum total of all individual experiences. Not a single individual consciousness.  I stopped thinking that solipsism is true .

[Candle]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

These so-called facets are not discreet objects, 

they are features of the one and only substance: Consciousness.

Just like all types of waves (Radio waves, microwaves, infrared, all types of colours we see, ultraviolet, X-rays, gamma rays, etc.). 

are features of the same Electromagnetic Wave. @Loveeee 

They look different superficially, fundamentally they are not. 

Edited December 30, 2024 by Candle

[Loveeee]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Just?

Nothing about God is "just".

These so-called facets are not discreet objects, they are features of the one and only substance: Consciousness.

In the video I linked at 2:09:05  you say "the definitive answer for what reality is, there's only one word for it, and the word is love"

So you no longer agree with that ? If not how would you rectify that statement ? If yes that is contradicting your blog post 

[Buck Edwards]

2 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

In the video I linked at 2:09:05  you say "the definitive answer for what reality is, there's only one word for it, and the word is love"

So you no longer agree with that ? If not how would you rectify that statement ? If yes that is contradicting your blog post 

Maybe reality is a simulation of that which doesn't exist.