Your Enlightenment Isn’t Higher Than Anything

[RightHand]

I have a question @Leo Gura. If you take your most alien states of consciousness, do you intuit that some entities would still view that as ant consciousness?

Edited Friday at 09:51 PM by RightHand

[Breakingthewall]

39 minutes ago, RightHand said:

I have a question @Leo Gura. If you take your most alien states of consciousness, do you intuit that some entities would still view that as ant consciousness?

Anything that is limited is less than an ant in comparison with infinity, it's zero. The only infinite conciousness is the conciousness without limits, not the conciousness of something . The conciousness without limits is the conciousness of nothing, just conciousness . because if it were the conciousness of something would be limited. But the conciousness of everything is the conciousness of you. You are that and there are not Limits. Not the conciousness of all your depth, but the conciousness of the fact that you are that and that there are not limits 

Edited Friday at 10:29 PM by Breakingthewall

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, RightHand said:

I have a question @Leo Gura. If you take your most alien states of consciousness, do you intuit that some entities would still view that as ant consciousness?

I don't know.

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, gengar said:

am having huge spiritual trouble with accepting God as the totality and that all things are good

Seems that reality clearly has a tendency, tends to perfect creation increasing levels of complexity. Suffering, or what we perceive as bad is an arising than seems to have the purpose of make the reality concious of itself. Stones doesn't suffer, and are made of the same material than you, then seems that suffering is the mean of the reality to be self conscious. Without suffering the reality is conciousness unconscious of itself. Suffering is the way that conciousness become concious of itself. Everything that happens is just appearance, like a dance of the reality with itself, and we are that right now 

Edited Friday at 11:04 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

In other words, any subjective reality or perception is just one appearance among infinite possibilities, a vibratory state of reality that creates and destroys itself in infinite cycles. Anything, an electron, a sheep or a person is a combination at an infinite level of an infinity of combined vibratory states that vibrate in the same substance. You are the same time the vibration and the substance, but the vibration is a temporary appearance, the substance is eternal, it is not subject to time, time is a creation, a succession of vibratory states that overlap to infinity. 

Edited Friday at 10:24 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

The reason reality takes forms and organizes itself into complex patterns is only the absence of limits.  There is no one behind the scenes, there is no divine plan, there is only inevitable superposition of synchronous vibratory states that synchronize from lesser to greater complexity up to infinity, for the sole reason that nothing prevents it, and that what is not synchronic simply doesn't appear, and then the cosmos explodes and is created in its absolute perfection. It is obvious

[M A J I]

Everyone is enlightened, not everyone is in (Awareness) of their enlightenment.

[The Crocodile]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Death is a release from sanity. As I said, sanity is just an island in a larger ocean of consciousness. Death is a release into an infinite ocean. Birth is confinement into sanity. Sanity is like a mental prison.

Castaneda and his student Lawton call that the dark sea of awareness. Let me see what Lawton says:

Not really. It's [solipsism's] a totally mistaken view of reality, based on thinking you have a real physical body. By the time you can see the emanations, you realize it's all OUTSIDE us. Not at all inside us. In fact, your goal once there might be to stop trying to remember things, and to accept that you have all of the dark sea of awareness to use as your "memory". And brain also. You KNOW that's true, when you "see" something that you couldn't have known, but yet there it is right in front of you. You NEVER stored that in any "brain". And then you verify, it is in fact true what you saw. It's possible that ALL we actually consist of, is precisely what the Eagle tries to extract from us, on death. Tendencies in our awareness. Learned by living. The Eagle doesn't remove it. Just download it. But the fright of being downloaded causes us to disperse too far, into the dark sea, since we no longer have a luminous shell to contain our awareness. And we spread too thin to be sentient anymore.

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And the Castaneda book The Active Side of Infinity talks about death.

Lawton doesn't believe in Hindu-style reincarnation, just that most people just die once the infinite ocean collects their awareness, but sorcerers can preserve their awareness because they've become experienced with other emanational systems and how things work while they're alive.

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, M A J I said:

Everyone is enlightened, not everyone is in (Awareness) of their enlightenment.

No, the Potential to be Enlightened is within Most Everyone, but few Realize it, there is a big distance btwn the Potential and Realization, for most it takes some serious Striving to reach Enlightenment, a rare few it comes naturally, I think this is due to their Karmic Structure.. This is akin to saying that some are "Old Souls" while others are "Young Souls", in my experience the majority of ppl seem to be Young Souls!

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, M A J I said:

Everyone is enlightened, not everyone is in (Awareness) of their enlightenment.

No, almost no one is enlightened. Being enlightened is be conscious of yourself as the unlimited reality. If you are concious of yourself as a limited human you are not enlightened . Enlightenment is in the mind and in the heart. The mind shows what you are in extension, the heart what you are in depth 

[M A J I]

@Ishanga @Breakingthewall You guys are both in delusions. You clearly haven't experienced or are in Awareness of what I share.

You both say a lot of words yet nothing at all. No substance or grounded truth behind it. All neo-spiritual/neo-advaita nonsense. This seems the case with most people on these forums, very few here actually grasp it. Its exactly how I stated and if you cannot see it then that's your trap.

Too much sadguru and online information, not enough self-inquiry and deep meditation.

Whens the last time you went into nature or a cave and disconnected from your mental illusions for a while? Maybe its time.

Edited Friday at 11:56 PM by M A J I

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, M A J I said:

You guys are both in delusions. You clearly haven't experienced or are in Awareness of what I share.

You both say a lot of words yet nothing at all. No substance or grounded truth behind it. All neo-spiritual/neo-advaita nonsense.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Now I also see that you are another fake. It's so easy to see . You don't understand nothing, you are floating in your utopia of natural beauty. You are lost, and in your arrogance, without any hope or possiblity in this life. Good luck in next

[M A J I]

There is a you that you have forgotten about, that was and is always there, this is your true nature or true self. That you is and always was eternally enlightened, you just lack the ((Awareness)) of it because you are so caught up in ego/persona and mental delusions of life as you know it. The triggers are clearly there, hence the ego's reactions above ^^

You are so caught up with the drama and carnival of life and the manifestations that you have forgotten the Self.

The Great Mystery ~

Edited Saturday at 12:00 AM by M A J I

[The Crocodile]

13 hours ago, M A J I said:

There is a you that you have forgotten about, that was and is always there, this is your true nature or true self. That you is and always was eternally enlightened, you just lack the ((Awareness)) of it because you are so caught up in ego/persona and mental delusions of life as you know it. The triggers are clearly there, hence the ego's reactions above ^^

You are so caught up with the drama and carnival of life and the manifestations that you have forgotten the Self.

The Great Mystery ~

Can't you see you're contradicting yourself by saying that you're enlightened and he's not, when your whole premise is that everybody is enlightened?

If "awareness" is the sticking point then it's purely semantic.

You could just as easily say everybody is already aware just by being a being whatsoever, they're just not enlightened about the exact nature of their awareness.

The ishanga guy made a point, but [insult removed by mod]

Edited Saturday at 01:37 PM by UnbornTao

[M A J I]

13 hours ago, The Crocodile said:

Can't you see you're contradicting yourself by saying that you're enlightened and he's not, when your whole premise is that everybody is enlightened?

If "awareness" is the sticking point then it's purely semantic.

You could just as easily say everybody is already aware just by being a being whatsoever, they're just not enlightened about the exact nature of their awareness.

The ishanga guy made a point... [insult removed by mod]

The truth is always like that, rather appearing paradoxical than contradictory. If you understand you would see it too.

I am saying (everyone is enlightened), yet not everyone is Aware of their true nature/true self, which is enlightened.

Old soul/young soul I used to think like that too, I used to think all these ways and forms people speak on these forums.

Eventually you let such things go as you surrender more deeply to the true nature and rise in awareness and realize the illusions we create. Hell I used to like sadguru too, until I woke up further from the dream.

People will never evolve past those who they worship or put on a high chair, only when they truly get the deeper message they will. The teacher is just a manifestation of you, of self. These are all cosmic games for your own Self-Realization.

Its ALL YOU.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 01:38 PM by UnbornTao

[The Crocodile]

Just now, M A J I said:

The truth is always like that, rather appearing paradoxical than contradictory. If you understand you would see it too.

I am saying (everyone is enlightened), yet not everyone is Aware of their true nature/true self, which is enlightened.

Old soul/young soul I used to think like that too, I used to think all these ways and forms people speak on these forums.

Eventually you let such things go as you surrender more deeply to the true nature and rise in awareness and realize the illusions we create.

 

 

You mostly just seem to care about your own self-assertion more than Truth, which is why you're so mentally and spiritually lazy and getting into an internet debate.

There is a paradox but you don't care to understand it or any of its facets. The contradiction I brought up is your inability to consciously reconcile the paradox and starting a retarded semantic debate to self-assert your own feelings like an asshole, while yourself being subject to the contradiction.

I don't like using the word "enlightenment" in reference to becoming conscious of the Absolute because it just sucks and is subject to pretending. But you can become conscious that peace or intelligence or awareness is innate in everything as it already is, and yet a second order of peace or intelligence or awareness is created by that. The reason the term for awakening exists is the becoming-conscious or then the second order.

Intelligent infinity is not just that which already is, its nature is infinite and subject to infinite variation. Which is why different levels of comprehension of reality can exist.

[UnbornTao]

@The Crocodile Please do not insult people.

Edited Saturday at 01:43 PM by UnbornTao

[The Crocodile]

31 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@The Crocodile No personal attacks please. Edit your post if you will.

Alright, because of you I'll never insult anybody ever again in my life (serious) because of you. But I'll leave the posts for posterity. Or you can delete them.

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, M A J I said:

There is a you that you have forgotten about, that was and is always there, this is your true nature or true self. That you is and always was eternally enlightened

what is your true nature is the absence of limitations, the infinite being, that is not a you. The big you that wants things and is wise is a fantasy, a bigger identification. There is not any god playing, there is just a natural phenomena, the infinite being creating more and more complex structures because it's it's nature. What you are is the empty nature of existence that contains infinite possibilities or potential. It's obvious that you can't see it because for you there is good and bad. Any differentiation or bias is just human, and and it takes you infinitely away from your true nature. You can be one in your true nature or divided, there is no middle ground.

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, The Crocodile said:

Which is why different levels of comprehension of reality can exist.

There is a total level, that's the comprehension of the ultimate nature of reality, of the substance, the material of the reality. 

Then infinite combinations occur. Intelligence is not the essence of reality, it is the consequence of the inevitable infinite synchronicity of the manifestation of reality. The non-synchronous to infinite power cannot appear, therefore only the infinitely intelligent appears, since anything else does not.

Any appearance is simply an appearance, undulatory movements in the infinite, which really only move relative to themselves, since in an infinite frame real movement is impossible as there is no difference between one place or another, since infinity is not a dimension, it is the potential for the appearance of dimensions. The only essence of the reality is the absence of limitations, that's the same than saying that it's nothing, that's the source of everything that ultimately is unreal movement in nowhere, but it's real because it's concious of itself, then at the end the manifested reality is conciousness , the potential reality is unconsciousness, both are two faces of the same, the absolute 

Edited Saturday at 10:03 AM by Breakingthewall