Life is imaginary

[Will1125]

Pure consciousness is imagining "reality".

[Breakingthewall]

Conciousness means be aware of something, not creating something. If there is something that creates things, like thoughts, images, anything, then it's not conciousness is something creative. Conciousness is receptive. 

[Breakingthewall]

Imagine that you are going to die now, in 10 seconds. Put yourself in that situation really. The absolute black, the total dissolution. Could you perceive that there, in death, is everything? But is hidden, is not defined, or inligthened by the light of consciousness, but still is, exactly that if it's manifested. Because everything is always, conciousness doesn't create nothing because everything already is, that's the absolute, it's just you. Conciousness is just the manifestation of a facet of yourself. It's illusory because you are not a facet, are the whole. 

[Princess Arabia]

No.

[gettoefl]

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Imagine that you are going to die now, in 10 seconds. Put yourself in that situation really. The absolute black, the total dissolution. Could you perceive that there, in death, is everything? But is hidden, is not defined, or inligthened by the light of consciousness, but still is, exactly that if it's manifested. Because everything is always, conciousness doesn't create nothing because everything already is, that's the absolute, it's just you. Conciousness is just the manifestation of a facet of yourself. It's illusory because you are not a facet, are the whole. 

These are good insights. Let me try to tease out how I see the relationship between consciousness and the absolute in more detail.

I also intuit that consciousness is receptive in that it perceives and manifests facets of what is already there. Also consider this: consciousness  functions as the lens through which the infinite is translated into finite form. Yes It does not create in the absolute sense, but it does shape how the absolute appears within the framework of perception. In this sense, consciousness is the mechanism by which the absolute - formless and whole - is sliced and diced into the world of distinctions, dualities, and phenomena.

Regarding the absolute blackness that you mention: in the total dissolution, there is indeed everything, but not in any defined form. It is whole, unified, and outside perception. Consciousness, like you say, does not create this “everything,” but it certainly “lights it up” and gives it definable aspects that let it be experienced as separate entities or phenomena. Yet this act of defining makes it illusory because the fragmented pieces it perceives are not the whole truth - they are finite representations of an infinite reality.

In this sense, consciousness might be regarded as a tool of limitation, a way for what is infinite to appear finite, making the absolute seem "graspable" to the limited perceiver. And because of this, it is deeply tied to the ego’s function: to define, separate, and make distinctions. The ego, working through consciousness, renders the undivided whole into parts, allowing the absolute to appear as a world of experience.

So, while consciousness is not creative in the sense of inventing something new, it is “constructive” in how it filters and shapes the absolute into the appearance of form. And it is this filtering that keeps us from fully knowing ourselves as the whole. Only by going beyond consciousness - the ego’s tool - can we glimpse the totality and rest in the absolute truth of what we are.

Edited December 29, 2024 by gettoefl

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, gettoefl said:

These are good insights. Let me try to tease out how I see the relationship between consciousness and the absolute in more detail.

I also intuit that consciousness is receptive in that it perceives and manifests facets of what is already there. Also consider this: consciousness  functions as the lens through which the infinite is translated into finite form. Yes It does not create in the absolute sense, but it does shape how the absolute appears within the framework of perception. In this sense, consciousness is the mechanism by which the absolute - formless and whole - is sliced and diced into the world of distinctions, dualities, and phenomena.

Regarding the absolute blackness that you mention: in the total dissolution, there is indeed everything, but not in any defined form. It is whole, unified, and outside perception. Consciousness, like you say, does not create this “everything,” but it certainly “lights it up” and gives it definable aspects that let it be experienced as separate entities or phenomena. Yet this act of defining makes it illusory because the fragmented pieces it perceives are not the whole truth - they are finite representations of an infinite reality.

In this sense, consciousness might be regarded as a tool of limitation, a way for what is infinite to appear finite, making the absolute seem "graspable" to the limited perceiver. And because of this, it is deeply tied to the ego’s function: to define, separate, and make distinctions. The ego, working through consciousness, renders the undivided whole into parts, allowing the absolute to appear as a world of experience.

So, while consciousness is not creative in the sense of inventing something new, it is “constructive” in how it filters and shapes the absolute into the appearance of form. And it is this filtering that keeps us from fully knowing ourselves as the whole. Only by going beyond consciousness - the ego’s tool - can we glimpse the totality and rest in the absolute truth of what we are.

Great! yes, in each fragment is the whole. consciousness is the manifestation of form through perception, but the idea that consciousness is essential for existence is wrong. existence is absolute and does not need to be conscious of itself to be. the mind cannot understand this because the mind is consciousness, and can only imagine consciousness, that is why it is said that the tao that can be named, or thought, is not the true tao. the true tao opens in you and you open to it, and you really are that. but the relative you is consciousness, which is structured in the duality of perceiver/perception

[M A J I]

Imaginary is Life

[decentralized]

God is everything and it’s imagining itself. That’s my take on it. 

[z3rolight]

God is the ~totality of consciousness and creativity...The Director of every consciousness!...We are born with this consciousness given as a gift ~along with life...from God, we should be grateful!...What do we choose to become a being separate from the whole?!... Or a whole in consciousness!.If we have chosen the majority to live individually and not as a whole....It is called division. Through our division it brings social conflicts and not only; relationships between people, families, cities, countries.~We are co-creators of what we live!.God wants us to become a whole.always listened to this consciousness, it is intuitive and should be taken into account; not only does it offer to show us the path we should walk but it bears its own responsibility to choose human nature how to live. As we well know that we live a dual life, an inner and an outer one with society... The only free will we have is in your choice... which path do you want to take!. "Self-love" (seeking individual material happiness?) and secondly, "benevolence" (compassion and seeking the good for the whole) in conscience. I consider this to be the exam we give to God.

[z3rolight]

On 29.12.2024 at 1:57 AM, Breakingthewall said:

Consciousness is being aware of something, not creating something. If there is something that creates things, like thoughts, images, whatever, then it is not consciousness, it is something creative. Consciousness is receptive.

 

Consciousness receives creativity. Then consciousness is receptive. Without consciousness you can create, you can be creative?

 

 

Normally and naturally we have the impression that we create and are creators of an idea ... perception, a literary writing or art science and other discoveries! -Consciousness is a cognitive process that causes emotions, images, thoughts and rational associations based on an individual's moral philosophy or on his value system and the mental process through which knowledge is achieved. It also includes perception, judgment, creativity and intuition. Most discoveries by "geniuses" their descriptions of what they discovered and made them public!... They were not the creation and they were creators!.. They received the information - transmitted through the grace from God! Through them the divine transmitted that information; creation to make itself known because that is how God wanted it!. We do not create we just execute the information received!. Creativity, grace talent comes and is transmitted through consciousness from God!. We receive creativity from God. We are not creative, we only transmit what is permitted to us from God. We are only transmitters of creation.

Edited February 5 by z3rolight
Why do I say; Consciousness receives creativity?..

[Aaron p]

I have a feeling this statement is more powerful and profound than I can currently grasp

[Matty1]

Correction: Reality is imagining "reality".

[Aaron p]

I think a 1 and a 123, that's just a jesus wanabe see

[integral]

On 2025-02-04 at 8:03 PM, Matty1 said:

Correction: Reality is imagining "reality".

imagination and reality are the same thing…

imagity

Forget the word “reality” entirely delete it from memory. The word is a loaded definition.

if you try to explain things without that word, it becomes a lot easier, look around and call it imagination.

but OK you could also look around and call it Real, but it’s literally the same word as imagination. 

Edited February 6 by integral