Life is imaginary

[Will1125]

Pure consciousness is imagining "reality".

[Breakingthewall]

Conciousness means be aware of something, not creating something. If there is something that creates things, like thoughts, images, anything, then it's not conciousness is something creative. Conciousness is receptive. 

[Breakingthewall]

Imagine that you are going to die now, in 10 seconds. Put yourself in that situation really. The absolute black, the total dissolution. Could you perceive that there, in death, is everything? But is hidden, is not defined, or inligthened by the light of consciousness, but still is, exactly that if it's manifested. Because everything is always, conciousness doesn't create nothing because everything already is, that's the absolute, it's just you. Conciousness is just the manifestation of a facet of yourself. It's illusory because you are not a facet, are the whole. 

[Princess Arabia]

No.

[gettoefl]

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Imagine that you are going to die now, in 10 seconds. Put yourself in that situation really. The absolute black, the total dissolution. Could you perceive that there, in death, is everything? But is hidden, is not defined, or inligthened by the light of consciousness, but still is, exactly that if it's manifested. Because everything is always, conciousness doesn't create nothing because everything already is, that's the absolute, it's just you. Conciousness is just the manifestation of a facet of yourself. It's illusory because you are not a facet, are the whole. 

These are good insights. Let me try to tease out how I see the relationship between consciousness and the absolute in more detail.

I also intuit that consciousness is receptive in that it perceives and manifests facets of what is already there. Also consider this: consciousness  functions as the lens through which the infinite is translated into finite form. Yes It does not create in the absolute sense, but it does shape how the absolute appears within the framework of perception. In this sense, consciousness is the mechanism by which the absolute - formless and whole - is sliced and diced into the world of distinctions, dualities, and phenomena.

Regarding the absolute blackness that you mention: in the total dissolution, there is indeed everything, but not in any defined form. It is whole, unified, and outside perception. Consciousness, like you say, does not create this “everything,” but it certainly “lights it up” and gives it definable aspects that let it be experienced as separate entities or phenomena. Yet this act of defining makes it illusory because the fragmented pieces it perceives are not the whole truth - they are finite representations of an infinite reality.

In this sense, consciousness might be regarded as a tool of limitation, a way for what is infinite to appear finite, making the absolute seem "graspable" to the limited perceiver. And because of this, it is deeply tied to the ego’s function: to define, separate, and make distinctions. The ego, working through consciousness, renders the undivided whole into parts, allowing the absolute to appear as a world of experience.

So, while consciousness is not creative in the sense of inventing something new, it is “constructive” in how it filters and shapes the absolute into the appearance of form. And it is this filtering that keeps us from fully knowing ourselves as the whole. Only by going beyond consciousness - the ego’s tool - can we glimpse the totality and rest in the absolute truth of what we are.

Edited yesterday at 12:30 PM by gettoefl

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, gettoefl said:

These are good insights. Let me try to tease out how I see the relationship between consciousness and the absolute in more detail.

I also intuit that consciousness is receptive in that it perceives and manifests facets of what is already there. Also consider this: consciousness  functions as the lens through which the infinite is translated into finite form. Yes It does not create in the absolute sense, but it does shape how the absolute appears within the framework of perception. In this sense, consciousness is the mechanism by which the absolute - formless and whole - is sliced and diced into the world of distinctions, dualities, and phenomena.

Regarding the absolute blackness that you mention: in the total dissolution, there is indeed everything, but not in any defined form. It is whole, unified, and outside perception. Consciousness, like you say, does not create this “everything,” but it certainly “lights it up” and gives it definable aspects that let it be experienced as separate entities or phenomena. Yet this act of defining makes it illusory because the fragmented pieces it perceives are not the whole truth - they are finite representations of an infinite reality.

In this sense, consciousness might be regarded as a tool of limitation, a way for what is infinite to appear finite, making the absolute seem "graspable" to the limited perceiver. And because of this, it is deeply tied to the ego’s function: to define, separate, and make distinctions. The ego, working through consciousness, renders the undivided whole into parts, allowing the absolute to appear as a world of experience.

So, while consciousness is not creative in the sense of inventing something new, it is “constructive” in how it filters and shapes the absolute into the appearance of form. And it is this filtering that keeps us from fully knowing ourselves as the whole. Only by going beyond consciousness - the ego’s tool - can we glimpse the totality and rest in the absolute truth of what we are.

Great! yes, in each fragment is the whole. consciousness is the manifestation of form through perception, but the idea that consciousness is essential for existence is wrong. existence is absolute and does not need to be conscious of itself to be. the mind cannot understand this because the mind is consciousness, and can only imagine consciousness, that is why it is said that the tao that can be named, or thought, is not the true tao. the true tao opens in you and you open to it, and you really are that. but the relative you is consciousness, which is structured in the duality of perceiver/perception