Getting too close too fast?

[Jannes]

58 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

It's not a problem if she didn't want sex for any reason but in the end it's her buttstock that you want, so you should be explicit in future interactions and if it doesn't work out, then go elsewhere. There's no point in getting attached to her for now because she hasn't been of any use to you at the moment.

It's not very feminist lol, but the whole current problem among men in the dating market comes from the mania of considering women as something else than an object of pleasure (in the context of a relationship) like any other.

Yes I wanted sex but that I didnt get it doesnt mean I left with nothing. We had a good talk, I warmed up socially and even talked about problems in my mind. I didnt feel like a hero coming home but I felt pretty fulfilled actually. 

I disagree with your point that men fundamentally see women as sexual objects. Yes sex is a prime motivation for men to get a women and yes there is quite a lot of manipulation going on of men pretending too feel emotions for women when they just want to fuck - but there are other beautiful things then sex when connecting with a women damnit.

[NoSelfSelf]

26 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Yes I am locked into a paradigm of truth. PLEASE SAVE ME!😂

"Personality", whatever that means, is BS and can't replace looks. There are other alternative explanations why a woman would choose a man despite his looks being subpar and there are many of them, but none of them include personality. I won't even get into that cause I don't care. You can't even properly define these terms and all this "masculinity" BS and all of you are just coping endlessly, to try to come up with what it actually means😂 Oooh it's so complicated, we have to write a thousand books and make thousand topics to finally discover that secret formula to attract women, they're all so complicated😂

See, I don't really care to give sermons about what others should do - even if the guy is ugly, I wouldn't tell him to not approach, I wouldn't advise anything to anyone. Cause I don't really care. I mean, the chances are never zero, I am fully aware of that. I just focus on me and my life and I am fully comfortable and cozy with knowing the actual truth. But who knows, maybe if you guys grind your gears enough, you'll discover that mythical divine masculinity and femininity😂

This is the reason why women love men.

No complications its right here.

Ta-da!

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

30 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I can’t speak for all women ofc as I don’t know all women

But you can definitely do that, you just have to be good at observing their behaviour and look at the statistics

30 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

A woman who would primarily be attracted to guys because of their looks sounds very shallow

It's actually completely normal and natural

30 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

and wouldn’t be someone I’d wanna be with if I was a man anyways.

But everyone is like that. Men and women.

30 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

What you call “masculinity” matters too

Masculinity is basically just a good looking guy wanting you and going after you

30 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

It is connected to personality

No such thing as personality

Edited December 28, 2024 by NewKidOnTheBlock

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

But you can definitely do that, you just have to be good at observing their behaviour and look at the statistics

I can see how observing their behavior would give insights into how their attraction works, but you would need to do that with a ridiculous amount of women to get a fair picture. But when it comes to statistics does it even exist statistics about this stuff?

3 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

It's actually completely normal and natural

11 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

But everyone is like that. Men and women.

Honestly I don’t know how the average person works I just know how I work and some women I know and for us attraction doesn’t work like you say 

8 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

10 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

 

Masculinity is basically just a good looking guy wanting you.

No such thing as personality

You are deep in the black pill stuff😹 I won’t even try to argue this. 

[NoSelfSelf]

@Sugarcoat My last point before i call it a day,this is what i was saying :his story is that he got rejected by few women,felt bad about it because he has no sense of self(that entails knowing himself on many levels).

Then he saw black pill he attached those feelings of rejection to everything they said and now he is defined by it! Litterly hes black pill minion walking around because his feelings got validated by his experience of hurt.

Edited December 28, 2024 by NoSelfSelf

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Sugarcoat My last point before i call it a day,this is what i was saying :his story is that he got rejected by few women,felt bad about it because he has no sense of self(that entails knowing himself on many levels).

Then he saw black pill he attached those feelings of rejection to everything they said and now he is defined by it! Litterly hes black pill minion walking around because his feelings got validated by his experience of hurt.

Thanks for clarification. I think I see what you mean. It’s feeling driven.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

@NoSelfSelf I don't think it's correct to just dismiss all my points just because I was hurt in the past, we all were hurt in the past except a few priviliged people (mostly good looking ones of course but that's besides the point). So this is completely irrelevant. Do you honestly think it is fair to bring that up? Do you honestly think this disproves literaly anything of what I stated?

I was never rejected because I never approached, but some women still did express interest in me. I was kinda traumatized in other ways tho (50% of that was by women) I am not ashamed to admit it. Guys like me could benefit from some kind of approaching and I will get to it once I'll start caring enough. I do have kind of an average face but I am tall and have OK body frame so I'm should be alright.

But I think it's kinda pointless to make it about me. I don't really care, but it's pointless. You're probably doing it cause you can't disprove anything of what I've said (because it's an objective truth)

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

because it's an objective truth

What are you basing your claims on? Like what is the statistics you talk about 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

42 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

What are you basing your claims on? Like what is the statistics you talk about 

I don't care about posting studies anyway because I'd have to search for them forever. Cause there's only the ussual feminist narrative of black pill as them being mysogists, people obviously like to cope. Go search Youtube for black pill channels if you care enough and find for yourself, they have everything. (I doubt you'll do that cause you have no reason to)

Personality not being a thing is just my opinion, to clarify. As well as what I said about masculinity

Edited December 28, 2024 by NewKidOnTheBlock

[Hojo]

1 hour ago, Jannes said:

Yes I wanted sex but that I didnt get it doesnt mean I left with nothing. We had a good talk, I warmed up socially and even talked about problems in my mind. I didnt feel like a hero coming home but I felt pretty fulfilled actually. 

I disagree with your point that men fundamentally see women as sexual objects. Yes sex is a prime motivation for men to get a women and yes there is quite a lot of manipulation going on of men pretending too feel emotions for women when they just want to fuck - but there are other beautiful things then sex when connecting with a women damnit.

Wanting to 'talk with women is beta. What are you going to 'talk' about? They aren't men they talk about useless women things. 'Talking' to a woman is just you listening to her problems.

She should have to have sex with you for you to listen to her problems and pretend to validate and care about them.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Hojo

[Sugarcoat]

18 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I don't care about posting studies anyway because I'd have to search for them forever. Cause there's only the ussual feminist narrative of black pill as them being mysogists, people obviously like to cope. Go search Youtube for black pill channels if you care enough and find for yourself, they have everything. (I doubt you'll do that cause you have no reason to)

Personality not being a thing is just my opinion, to clarify. As well as what I said about masculinity

It can be entertaining to watch black pill content so I might sometime. I’m very open in general but as someone said be open minded but not so much your brain falls out😹 

Personality not being a thing is a very bold claim. Have you never encountered a guy who is kinda fugly still have girls like him because of his personality? And to define masculinity as a guy looking good and wanting and going after you. Isn’t masculinity a definition independent of women? Or you mean that that is what women view as masculine?

Wouldn’t you agree that it’s more common to see a couple where the woman is more conventionally attractive than the guy vs vice versa?

The overall impression I get from blackpill is that it’s very black and white and lacks nuance. They do have some points here and there and there’s some nugget of truth in what they say but it’s way too generalizing 

Edited December 28, 2024 by Sugarcoat

[Schizophonia]

We are all one and are blackpill because we post too much on Actualized.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

11 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Have you never encountered a guy who is kinda fugly still have girls like him because of his personality?

No I haven't actually, I just mostly seen people talking about it. This mythical ugly guy who slays bitches with the power of his personality. As if that's suppose to prove something.

Most of the time they have something else to compensate. People just don't talk about that shit honestly enough and people are not really honest in general. With themselves or others.

15 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Isn’t masculinity a definition independent of women?

That's just a feminist retardation. We are all dependent on men, in actuality.

She is "masculine" just cause she has a job and pays her own bills? That's not masculine, that's just a typical modern day slavery.

17 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Or you mean that that is what women view as masculine?

Yes, kinda. Women want masculine behaviour from attractive men basically. But they'll also tolerate any kind of behaviour from them, really.

19 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Wouldn’t you agree that it’s more common to see a couple where the woman is more conventionally attractive than the guy vs vice versa?

No, most people date their looks match. They look about the same.

19 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

The overall impression I get from blackpill is that it’s very black and white and lacks nuance.

I just dissagree with their hopelessness and depression, mostly

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

No I haven't actually, I just mostly seen people talking about it. This mythical ugly guy who slays bitches with the power of his personality. As if that's suppose to prove something.

If it exists it does prove something.

5 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Most of the time they have something else to compensate. People just don't talk about that shit honestly enough and people are not really honest in general. With themselves or others.

Sounds like one of your assumptions

12 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

 

That's just a feminist retardation. We are all dependent on men, in actuality.

She is "masculine" just cause she has a job and pays her own bills? That's not masculine, that's just a typical modern day slavery.

If we look on societal level we all depend on each other because we all do different work isn’t it so? 
 

Some traits might be defined as masculine by some for example providing at home so in those cases a woman having a job and being independent might be seen as masculine. But as our society is becoming more equal the definitions are changing so that is nowadays seen as something anyone regardless of gender can do so not particularly masculine 

 

18 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Yes, kinda. Women want masculine behaviour from attractive men basically. But they'll also tolerate any kind of behaviour from them, really.

If that attractive guy is awkward and shy he will still struggle with women that’s my guess

19 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

No, most people date their looks match. They look about the same.

Yea most people but it’s still more common to see a woman being the more attractive one than vice versa. 
 

21 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I just disagree with their hopelessness and depression, mostly

Well that is good at least

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

If that attractive guy is awkward and shy he will still struggle with women that’s my guess

No

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

If it exists it does prove something.

It doesn't. Statistically insignificant.

4 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Sounds like one of your assumptions

Sounds like the truth

4 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

If we look on societal level we all depend on each other because we all do different work isn’t it so? 

A nice bypass😄

Some of those roles are order of magnitudes more important than others. As in, we would suffer severe consequences immidiately if those roles weren't occupied. Most of those roles are occupied by men, still.

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Some traits might be defined as masculine by some for example providing at home so in those cases a woman having a job and being independent might be seen as masculine. But as our society is becoming more equal the definitions are changing so that is nowadays seen as something anyone regardless of gender can do so not particularly masculine 

It is becomming more equal on an abstract level but our bodies and brains function as if we were still in stone age. If you'd want to trully fullfill your feminist wet dreams, the ultimate logical conclussion should be to morph from a human into something else entirely.

8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Yea most people but it’s still more common to see a woman being the more attractive one than vice versa. 

Definitely not common.

I guess we'll have to agree to dissagree with almost everything and call it a day. I'll not be talking about anymore

[Sugarcoat]

5 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I guess we'll have to agree to dissagree with almost everything and call it a day. I'll not be talking about anymore

Yea it’s fine 👍🏻I usually don’t keep convos going this much 

Edited December 28, 2024 by Sugarcoat

[Princess Arabia]

3 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Attraction is about looks. Any other explanation found in reality is either false or statistically insignificant

The poor blind. No attraction for them. They got left out. Such a limited response.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

Wanting to 'talk with women is beta. What are you going to 'talk' about? They aren't men they talk about useless women things. 'Talking' to a woman is just you listening to her problems.

She should have to have sex with you for you to listen to her problems and pretend to validate and care about them.

Oh my. Such sexist statements. Why do you talk to females on the forum then.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Princess Arabia

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

Oh my. Such sexist statements. Ignorance is a bitch.

He probably started talking about non duality out the blue in several occasions and it wasn’t met positively that’s why he says that 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

He probably started talking about non duality out the blue in several occasions and it wasn’t met positively that’s why he says that 

Maybe he needs to start interacting with different women.