Who Here Has Children?

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, ryoko said:

Very limited definition, slaves are those whose will is conditioned to be something just below their tolerance level, which is everything.

You being in a human body is slavery, what if you wanted to be an actual bird?

That's all good and clever but others having bodily limitations does not qualify you a as slave master/owner. Subduing other's will to fit yours by force is what qualifies a slave master. 

Edited January 19 by Salvijus

[ryoko]

Of course not!

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, ryoko said:

Of course not!

Cool

Edited January 19 by Salvijus

[jimwell]

On 1/18/2025 at 4:09 PM, Leo Gura said:

Pets are little slaves.

Contemplate on your slaving ways.

In a few ways, pets are indeed "slaves", similar to kids. But that is not necessarily bad. In fact, they need to be "enslaved" to a certain degree for their and their owners' survival. What matters is that pets and kids have decent "slave owners". You wouldn't be alive today if your parents didn't "enslave" you when you were a kid.

Lastly, what I said about pets making life more beautiful and meaningful stays true. This is true not only from my perspective but also from my pet's perspective. When I look at my pet, I see beauty, intelligence, and love, and I feel these higher qualities inside. I then express them to my pet via words and actions. My pet, in turn, feels what I feel inside. It's a deeply beautiful experience; a romance with existence. Try to remember your childhood experience of having a cat. Perhaps you can gain some understanding of what I'm saying.

 

On 1/18/2025 at 6:09 PM, Davino said:

I was contemplating a similar question. Being in the wild barely surviving and suffering daily for having your needs met is better than a symbiotic relationship with another animal (human in this case).

Not really, especially if the human companion is decent. Many pets, including dogs, cats, birds, and otters love their human "slave owners".

[Rafael Thundercat]

Don't 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Having kids and getting married, these two things function as an insurance against future potential loneliness and isolation, while also giving you a sense of purpose in life. At least that's what they should do, of course there are no guarantees and both your wife and your kids could suddenly leave you alone in a dust. And by loneliness I don't necessarilly mean lack of people you can talk to, because you can always talk to anyone technically, but people you can actually depend on, that is a different story. Being old and not being able to depend on anyone feels like a scary future prospect. I'm certain your "friends" are not people you can depend on (and are friends by a mere circumstance, rotated every few years)

If this loneliness problem could be somehow bypassed then I would easilly give up on getting married and having children but since it's not - and since the world can be a cynically cruel place - it's something that has to be a goal of mine

[Moutushi]

I don't, but I would love to. We aren't putting in any extra effort to make it happen, though, outside of our regular intimate life. My life is good now as it is now with or without kids. I feel grateful to have a loving partner who would be a wonderful mother and partner to help me in raising any children that we become blessed to have. 

Edited Monday at 10:53 PM by Moutushi

[James123]

On 12/28/2024 at 1:50 AM, Leo Gura said:

I am curious what percentage of Actualized fans have children.

Let us know if you do.

I do have.

[Magnanimous]

On 12/28/2024 at 11:20 AM, Leo Gura said:

Maybe a better question:

Who here is a child?

17 here if that still counts 

[Emerald]

On 1/18/2025 at 3:09 AM, Leo Gura said:

Pets are little slaves.

Contemplate on your slaving ways.

There are some really extreme Vegans that believe that pets are inherently slaves and who believe that pets shouldn't exist at all.

And because domesticated animals like dogs rely on humans for survival and feral cats create issues for local wildlife, some of them even advocate for euthanasia for all cats and dogs.

It's even rumored that that's why PETA mostly has kill shelters for rescues.... because the founder of PETA is very anti-pet for the reasons that you mentioned.

So, be careful about the perspectives you're advocating for.

But definitionally, pets are not slaves.... unless they're service dogs or something.

A slave is one who works without compensation. And if you aren't making your animals do work, then they are not slaves. And that's true, even if the human being is getting value from having a pet around.

They certainly are captive though, and there is certainly a major power imbalance inherent in that relationship.

But there's also a symbiotic relationship between pets and their handlers if the relationship is a good one. Like our cat boys are super lovey dovey with us and seem (to my limited perception) pretty content. 

Have you ever had a pet before?

[Moon]

Not currently but I would love to have a husband and children in the future.

This would be an expression of my higher joy and love and thus part of my purpose and expansion.

Edited 12 hours ago by Moon

[ryoko]

 

While noticing the dynamics of many families, and how seemingly consumed they are in this made up purpose, some cultures much more than the other. I often feel bad for them. It's not that having children is bad, it's how most people use the family to fill a void which cannot be filled. And how it feeds into the "what everybody else is doing around us" or survival.

You worrying about your little children's survival is secondary, you having children was part of your survival; survival of what you think you are, this is what gives meaning. Children have given you an occupation; to take care of them. In other words, you're indebted to them.

About the loneliness aspect. A teacher once asked why do you think people have children, the students had many answers, then the teacher went on to say, couples get bored of seeing each other's face very soon. New face is new task, in this game.

[Norbert Somogyi]

I have a huge list of conditions set towards myself, a future relationship and security of existence in case I were to have children. Doesn't feel like I will reach there in the next 5 years, but it is not out of the question.

[martins name]

I'm 26 and don't have children. I've never wanted children and don't plan to. Just not for me. All I know of childhood is suffering.

[Moon]

When you are looking through the lens of suffering, you are not seeing your true desires or who you are meant to be in this lifetime. 

Intuition clouded by trauma and needing to justify and intellectualise can limit your divine accelerated flow in life. 

When you are consistently living in higher states of consciousness, you are able to live several lifetimes in one and having children does not hinder your “spiritual growth” unless you create beliefs that do so.

Not everyone has to have children. But are you really making this decision from an authentic place? ✨✨