Who Here Has Children?

[Davino]

39 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Pets a little slaves.

Contemplate on your slaving ways.

I'm a proud slave owner

Yet your words make uncomfortable in a way I still have to figure out.

[Jowblob]

I used to be a spermdonor at a clinic to understand the meaning of life so i might have a few, after my god realization i don't want to have any children, children is just an idea of god.

[Daniel Balan]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Pets are little slaves.

Contemplate on your slaving ways.

That is total BS. I work my ass off year round to provide food for my animals. I produce their food on my arable land. They are feed better than I feed myself. I buy food for my cat and dogs sometimes by neglecting my own hunger, because I have very little money. I've also had cattle and pigs and I had to do daily cleaning of their living place and I have to give them food 2 times a day, food which I produce using my bare hands on the fields. Contemplate your own biases. @Leo Gura. Do these animals seem like they are my slaves? 

Edited Saturday at 09:21 AM by Daniel Balan

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

Do these animals seem like they are my slaves? 

You are literally showing me pics of an animal prison/plantation while lecturing me about bias.

[RightHand]

Would a dog envy a wolf?

 

[Davino]

1 minute ago, RightHand said:

Would a dog envy a wolf?

I was contemplating a similar question. Being in the wild barely surviving and suffering daily for having your needs met is better than a symbiotic relationship with another animal (human in this case).

[Daniel Balan]

Without the fence, my poultry would be killed by stray dogs and other predators like foxes and polecats. Beyond the fence, I have crop fields, and if the hens, ducks, and goose roamed freely, they'd destroy my crops—potatoes, wheat, soybeans, corn—before they could mature. I rely on these crops to feed the animals I raise, so the fence is necessary to protect both them and my crops. 
But I couldn't expect you to understand survival as someone who never worked a day in their life in the scorching summer preparing hay stacks or to manually weed out the crops that are necessary for the survival of the poultry and livestock. Keep living in your fairy tale bubble. 

Edited Saturday at 10:17 AM by Daniel Balan

[AION]

We humans live on a farm too. It is the country you live in.

[RightHand]

6 minutes ago, Davino said:

I was contemplating a similar question. Being in the wild barely surviving and suffering daily for having your needs met is better than a symbiotic relationship with another animal (human in this case).

I would say that a dog and a wolf are two different animals, a dog doesn't give a fuck about being dog, it is just a dog 

I guess the counter argument is that a dog is happy being a dog because it isn't aware that it is a domesticated wolf. But, now I feel like I'm creating an ungrounded cosmology.

[Daniel Balan]

The fence is what keeps the animals alive! Without it, they would all be gone in a week. And without me " The slave owner" They'd die in 3 days. I give them water and food 3 times a day. I can barely live my house for more that 5 hours. I am much more a slave to them than they are a slave to me.

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

Without the fence, my poultry would be killed by stray dogs and other predators like foxes and polecats. Beyond the fence, I have crop fields, and if the hens, ducks, and goose roamed freely, they'd destroy my crops—potatoes, wheat, soybeans, corn—before they could mature. I rely on these crops to feed the animals I raise, so the fence is necessary to protect both them and my crops. 
But I couldn't expect you to understand survival as someone who never worked a day in their life in the scorching summer preparing hay stacks or to manually weed out the crops that are necessary for the survival of the poultry and livestock. Keep living in your fairy tale bubble. 

Survival is indeed a nasty business. Now you can appreciate why slavery was invented.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

I am much more a slave to them than they are a slave to me.

The master becomes the slave, enslaved by his own invention.

[Yimpa]

Trump owns me now because I am a lib 

[Davino]

13 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

Without the fence, my poultry would be killed by stray dogs and other predators like foxes and polecats. Beyond the fence, I have crop fields, and if the hens, ducks, and goose roamed freely, they'd destroy my crops—potatoes, wheat, soybeans, corn—before they could mature. I rely on these crops to feed the animals I raise, so the fence is necessary to protect both them and my crops. 
But I couldn't expect you to understand survival as someone who never worked a day in their life in the scorching summer preparing hay stacks or to manually weed out the crops that are necessary for the survival of the poultry and livestock. Keep living in your fairy tale bubble. 

I understand your position but beware that having a horse in this race may distort your sense making

[RightHand]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

The master becomes the slave, enslaved by his own invention.

When I see my boss yelling at colleagues about insignificant matters I can't help but view him as a slave.

Yet, I can't tell him that because I would compromise my survival and the survival of my colleagues.

I am happy being a slave!

[AION]

20 minutes ago, RightHand said:

Would a dog envy a wolf?

 

Those are human attributes that animals don't have.

Animals don't have advanced ego emotions like envy.

We humans project these attributes on them.

In one of my trips I became an animal. It is a very different experience.

[Davino]

11 minutes ago, RightHand said:

I would say that a dog and a wolf are two different animals, a dog doesn't give a fuck about being dog, it is just a dog 

I guess the counter argument is that a dog is happy being a dog because it isn't aware that it is a domesticated wolf. But, now I feel like I'm creating an ungrounded cosmology.

Let's do the comparison with cats, that can both survive by themselves or domesticated. Which cat is more fulfilled? Which cat is more free? Which cat is more conscious?

Idk, interesting to contemplate

[Davino]

1 minute ago, AION said:

Those are human attributes that animals don't have.

Animals don't have advanced ego emotions like envy.

We humans project these attributes on them.

It was a thought experiment as far as how I interpreted it

[Daniel Balan]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Survival is indeed a nasty business. Now you can appreciate why slavery was invented.

No. I strongly refuse your reasoning. The animals I raise are NOT my slaves. Without me they would die instantly. Here in the country side there are a ton of predators and I have traps around the barn where I keep my animals, I have to give them fresh water multiple times a day and work all year to produce their food, I don't buy the food for the poultry, only for my dogs and cat. I take care of them with deep love and compassion. I could very well buy all the food I need for myself from a bigger town nearby from the supermarket. But because I lived all my life in the countryside I have deep appreciation for raising livestock and poultry because I was raised by my grandparents since I was 1 year old, and they've taught me everything about working the fields and raising livestock and poultry. To me taking care of my animals gives me happiness that brings tears in my eyes. I've never mistreated my animals once in my life. A slave owner beats and tortures, I've done the extreme oposite.

[RendHeaven]

5 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

No. I strongly refuse your reasoning. The animals I raise are NOT my slaves.

You're very emotionally charged about this, and it's clear that you're not even capable of temporarily occupying the counter-position to play devil's advocate against yourself.

My family has two sweet dogs, and I'm happily aware that this is slavery. No emotional turmoil for me, because the truth is the truth.

Maybe rewatch Leo's most recent video. Defensiveness is a red flag of low perspective.

Edited Saturday at 10:47 AM by RendHeaven
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