The sovereign citizen movement

[Adrian colby]

It’s synchronistic for me that Leo posted about the sovereign movement on his blog now. 
 

I came into spirituality/personal development after a sober awakening experience that happened after a conceptual/reality deconstruction process about 5 years ago. 
 

I find it interesting to learn about the different perspectives and mindsets that people get into and in the interest of staying with “direct experience” I had the opportunity to get into one of these groups ( in Ireland) and so I thought I would contribute what I witnessed. 
 

while the sovereignty movement is associated with the libertarian movement, the libertarian movement often gets into trouble with “the system” because of an entitled, uninformed or dualistic mindset accompanied with a lack of taking personal responsibility. In a lot of the American videos on YouTube, the individuals have committed an act against another person and in some cases ‘murder’. They use the sovereignty argument to try and shirk personal responsibility for their own behaviour. 
 

to me, it’s quite clear that ‘the system’ is there for a reason and it is part of what holds societal structure in a moderate balance. People with a lack of personal development and inability to see or be aware of unity or interconnected effect, do need to be ‘managed’ to prevent havoc and this system has been build up over centuries of trial and error and continues to change to achieve and improve this. 
 

part of the sovereinity story or narrative is that there is a different interpretation of biblical (Christian) symbolism and they believe it is referring to the legal/lawful system which has a division between land based law and sea based ( maritime) law which is currently being used on land to militarise containment of the people who are seen as ‘corporate’ ( dead) bodies signed over or registered to the Roman Catholic Church. There’s a bunch of papers and frameworks that are described basically describing a process of handing one’s identity over to a corporate body at birth and identifying with the registered ( dead ) entity unknowingly.

the person I came across in Ireland ( unfortunately through ‘spiritual’ circles) seems to have understood the legal structure within the paperwork system in this country and has de registered himself from the system ( from public to private) by claiming a natal name of himself as a living entity devoid of family name which is the fathers and not his. He has been in the courts and claimed jurisdiction by implementing his own estate, status as postmaster ( postal system) and somehow managed to win and set a precedent which other sovereign citizens use to reference when they too go through the process. There’s a specific way that legal documents are drawn up, stamped and the language also used to write them. He has done paperwork for everything from his natal certificate to revenue, motor tax, council rates and even the car he drives which he managed to get the state to pay for…

when he is stopped by the police here, his paperwork is always present and immaculate and his manner is always “honourable” and he is let go on his way.  He schedules meetings  with government ministers, or civil servant and the police super intendants in his local area to be transparent about what he is doing. He holds a “talk club” where he teaches people to go through the process and discuss other projects of tackling the system where there is regular feedback about how a project or court case is going. So far it looks like he has genuine private diplomatic status registered with a police department that does and does not exist or at least the police head is not allowed to confirm the presence of the department. 
 

so it would seem ( by appearances at least ) that if someone shows they act honourably and responsibly, that the system will let you go. This is in stark contrast to the videos of court cases where genuine criminals are simply using the movement to get away with crimes against others.

its at this point I’ll say that this is either the case of this individual has created a status and paperwork that fits so snuggly with the current legal system that officials simply don’t know what to do with him so they leave him alone if he’s not causing any trouble. But it has been reached through trial and error as there was no way to know initially if the process was going to work.

and now I move onto my own intuition and expand beyond the idea that is being peddled by this guy. I sit and listen and watch and feel the energy in the room. If someone asks a question that challenges the ideas he’s putting across, he immediately changes his demeanour from one claiming love, spiritual development, honor and personal confidence ( law of attraction stuff) to a person who is belittling, bullying, projecting, claiming the questioner is lowering the vibration of the room ( when the energy only changed with him), claiming he predicted it by “knowing it was coming” and then using his own interpretation of biblical/ spiritual texts or beleifs about Masonic rituals against him in the courts being the reason the questioner was negative or attacking and he then uses that to justify what I could best describe as disgusting behaviour towards the other person. It’s fear based, dualistic and conspiratorial thinking using the bible and the movie the ‘matrix’ to justify these beleifs. 
it’s an interesting perspective and I understand his reasoning behind removing such people from his talk group because I can see it too, but it all feels wrong. 
 

a person claiming to help, doesn’t have a drastic emotional reaction to a question and bully them so badly they leave the room in tears. I’ve spend many hours outside the building trying to build peoples confidence, self worth, happiness and well-being back up after such incidences as that’s part of my chosen purpose in life. To help people understand their mind and get back to their life purpose, passion and joy of the experience in this life. 
 

after a couple of incidences like that, I walked away from it altogether as there was nothing more to learn and I had seen enough. 
I do think at some stage, the ‘system’ will find a way to pull him in on securities fraud but the way he has set himself up in the legal framework of this country means he’ll probably get away with it. Each court case he wins, he clears a back door entry into the system that looks like it would eventually destabilise it and make it crumble. I don’t think that is a good thing but I’m waiting to see what happens. 
 

as far as the sovereignty movement in Ireland is concerned, someone seems to have actually cracked it. 
 

im pending information about his meetings with ministers and police chiefs so I can go into the offices and verify it for myself if these meetings have actually taken place

there's one thing I notice about the last 5 years and that is ever increasing infiltration of religious rhetoric and conspiracy into the spiritual or personal development community. I think this is because of the transrational fallacy. 
 

id be interested in others perspectives or if my own experience of this can open up another perspective that’s not seen from this movement. 

[aurum]

A sovcit can invent whatever alternative legal narratives they want. They could even be right.

But unless you can somehow convince a cop / judge / jury that your alternative view is correct, it holds no weight. You don't just get to have your personal interpretation of the law.

[sholomar]

When I think of it, I think of people who treat cops like asses, in order to try to prove a point and "exercise their rights" and then act surprised when the cops act like dicks in return.  I get their point, but there's something called balance, and treating people like you would want to be treated.  They should go to Mexico or South America and try that stuff and see how far they get.

In the end we are all participants of the society in which we live...

Edited December 31, 2024 by sholomar