How to deal with MENA immigrants?

[EdgeGod900]

Aside from the fact that Americans will fucking shooting you in your head for threatening them, MENA immigrants seem to not be agressive in America as they do in Canada or Scandinavia. What is in American culture that seem to handle the toxic stage red/blue behaviours that permeate many MENA immigrants well?

 

I am asking because I've interacted with a handful of MENA immigrants here in Canada, from co-workers, class mates, cashier, etc.. and 9/10, they'll dominate you in conversations or in their vibes, if you try to challenge the status quo, or show slight feminine traits(like patience, humility, modesty, etc..) 

 

I noticed its typically only them, I've interacted eith many Latinos, East asians, and South east asians immigrants, and my interactions with them don't rub me the wrong way. There's something with the way many MENA immigrants act that makes my spiritual gut wrench. So how the fuck should stage Green/ stage Yellow Canadians handle this?

[PurpleTree]

I don’t know.

The US is often still quite a proud confident huge country with a lot of soft power (movies, music etc) which in a way helps with this imo.

For example Germany is not a proud confident country since WW2 and whatever. So it’s hard for them to integrate more proud kind of people. They just don’t take Germany and it’s laws seriously.

 

Also the US can absorb more cultures it was always a country of immigrants and had the Anerican dream. While Germany, Sweden etc. weren’t.

Edited December 26, 2024 by PurpleTree

[Quader]

Not much you can do asides from letting their wheels spin without traction, they'll burn themselves out. They're so used to being hit by people who are angry at then. 

[Buck Edwards]

Some part of society will always be toxic red. For some reason I sometimes enjoy the toxic red of Old Wild West, the guns,cowboy hats, horses, beer and vintage taverns.

[LoseYourvelf]

1 hour ago, Buck Edwards said:

Some part of society will always be toxic red. For some reason I sometimes enjoy the toxic red of Old Wild West, the guns,cowboy hats, horses, beer and vintage taverns.

Me too, me too

 

Also pretty into pirates

Edited December 27, 2024 by LoseYourvelf

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, LoseYourvelf said:

Me too, me too

 

Also pretty into pirates

Imagine how would be the pirates on real. In the 18th century, the English practiced forced conscription to strengthen their fleet. That is, a patrol would lie in wait on the roads and any guy who passed by would be kidnapped, put on the ship and not be allowed to leave the ship for 10 years being forced to fight in sea war. It didn't matter if the guy had 8 children to feed. This was legal and if the guy tried to escape he was hanged. Some of these guys managed to escape, became pirates, and they didn't love people at all. 

[Basman]

You aren't obligated to take crap from people. If you don't like someone for whatever reasons you keep interactions down to a bare minimum (which is usually 0)

I've met plenty of MENA who are decent though perhaps the sociopolitical situation in Canada is different.

[Scholar]

There is an irony in which, sometimes, if you are too weak and nice to an individual, you harm them by inviting their instincts to exploit your weakness.

On a political scale we can see this with Russia and the West. Russia assume the West grew so weak and pacifist that they would not be willing to fight wars any longer.

 

With a less developed individual, you get the same. If you show them weakness, civility and so forth, it is an opportunity for them to establish their dominance, as you said.

There is a reason why the mafia, and many drug cartel leaders, are so religious. Stage blue is basically the solution to the power hungry egoism that they are engaging in, and that brings so many problems for them.

 

From a spiral dynamics perspective, if you lack a solid stage blue foundation in your society, then how exactly is stage red supposed to evolve up the spiral? Stage red only respects power. So, a more developed society can struggle more with adopting individuals with certain development. Stage green has significant limitations in this, the solution to which is stage yellow.

[Schahin]

It's all Karma, as your ancestors killed the native Population and kidnapped their children, it now comes back to you as you are of the blood of those ancestors.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Schahin

[PurpleTree]

4 hours ago, Schahin said:

It's all Karma, as your ancestors killed the native Population and kidnapped their children, it now comes back to you as you are of the blood of those ancestors.

So then why is Haiti always suffering if its all "karma"?

[Viking]

Welcome to the middle east. 

If you claim to be stage yellow the solution is to incorporate those aspects and talk to them on the same level. Don't show any feminine qualities. If you're unable to do it you're stuck in green.

[Schahin]

On 29.12.2024 at 1:00 AM, PurpleTree said:

So then why is Haiti always suffering if its all "karma"?

Karma does not Happen when and where you want it, actually nobody really knows how Karma works. It remains a mystery.

[PurpleTree]

31 minutes ago, Schahin said:

Karma does not Happen when and where you want it, actually nobody really knows how Karma works. It remains a mystery.

Because it doesn’t exist.

[Breakingthewall]

It's important being a man learn how to deal with those attitudes. There are several possibilities, but there is one indispensable condition: you must be completely sure of yourself and be able to maintain a firm position whatever it may be. Normally, aggressive attitudes are manifestations of insecurity, sublimated fear. You have to put empathy aside and set limits. At first, this is difficult and one tends to be aggressive, which is why fights occur, but aggressiveness is always weakness. Firmness is strength. All the aggressiveness you show in a conflict is strength that you lose, strength must remain behind an insurmountable barrier, not go forward. Bringing strength forward is aggressiveness, keeping strength in your center is firmness. Then you will act as it's necessary by instinct without loose control, that is the worse that could happen, control is the key, then you can perceive the weakness of the other and control him

Edited December 30, 2024 by Breakingthewall

[Buck Edwards]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's important being a man learn how to deal with those attitudes. There are several possibilities, but there is one indispensable condition: you must be completely sure of yourself and be able to maintain a firm position whatever it may be. Normally, aggressive attitudes are manifestations of insecurity, sublimated fear. You have to put empathy aside and set limits. At first, this is difficult and one tends to be aggressive, which is why fights occur, but aggressiveness is always weakness. Firmness is strength. All the aggressiveness you show in a conflict is strength that you lose, strength must remain behind an insurmountable barrier, not go forward. Bringing strength forward is aggressiveness, keeping strength in your center is firmness. Then you will act as it's necessary by instinct without loose control, that is the worse that could happen, control is the key, then you can perceive the weakness of the other and control him

Some men assume that aggression is a sign of strength. Can you reason with them? 

[Quader]

1 hour ago, Buck Edwards said:

Some men assume that aggression is a sign of strength. Can you reason with them? 

If someone wants your chips can you explain to them the nature of the universe in time for them to contemplate otherwise? Agression is on a short fuse and it's only reason is to simmer and be capable of using more of the brain (impossible when in fight mode). The only reason is to deescalate without solving the root cause or to fight fire with a blue flame.  

Usually just holding your own while being respectful but firm is enough to warrant respect when the aggressor reflects on the event. He's looking to justify his actions by dragging you down to a lower level than he is

Edit: that being said trying to engage with an aggressive person could end badly no matter how sensible you act in turn 

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Quader

[Jacob Morres]

For exploration sake, how is your own behavior toward them? Do you think you might be creating a self fulfilling prophecy/confirmation bias? 

When i am kind i notice most people match my energy, regardless of their race, gender, sexuality. So maybe it could do with that? 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Jacob Morres

[PurpleTree]

5 hours ago, Jacob Morres said:

For exploration sake, how is your own behavior toward them? Do you think you might be creating a self fulfilling prophecy/confirmation bias? 

When i am kind i notice most people match my energy, regardless of their race, gender, sexuality. So maybe it could do with that? 

 

 

 

 

No

 

Or do you also think women who get raped, femicided had it coming? Jews who got stuck into ovens had the wrong energy? People who get treated racist behaved wrong? 

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

Some men assume that aggression is a sign of strength. Can you reason with them? 

Not reasoning, you can not get intimidated, stand your ground. At worst you'll get beaten or killed, but not intimidated. 99% If you stand up and are not afraid, the other will not do anything to you. Bullies like people who's scared. 

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Not reasoning, you can not get intimidated, stand your ground. At worst you'll get beaten or killed, but not intimidated. 99% If you stand up and are not afraid, the other will not do anything to you. Bullies like people who's scared. 

Well you already can’t really choose to be afraid or not afraid can you? Or do you think depressed people can also choose to have more fun neuro transmitters?