Ralston clarifies his deepening of consciousness

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

@Leo Gura whats ur take on the Absolute being Nothingness, beyond consciousness? several spiritual traditions seem to point to this

I do not recognize anything beyond Consciousness. There can only be one thing. That thing is Consciousness. There is nothing beyond it.

You have to really grasp the monumental nature of ONENESS.

If you grasp ONENESS then this issue of stuff beyond it, or relative vs absolute, or form vs formless, or mind vs absolute, or self vs other, becomes silly.

Edited Thursday at 03:54 PM by Leo Gura

[emil1234]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I do not recognize anything beyond Consciousness. There can only be one thing. That thing is Consciousness. There is nothing beyond it.

but its hard to argue against the fact that behind your eyes, there is Nothingness. in deep sleep, there is Nothingness. and Nothingness, in virtue of it being Nothing, permiates all of existence.

I think its fair to draw  a distinction between Nothingness and consciousness, but also notice that the Nothingness EXISTS. which to me indicates that it is still a certain degree of consciousness, and thus consciousness can plausibly be viewed a the Absolute imo.

But one should not lightly cast away the notion of Nothingness, since it is the closest thing to an antithesis of consciousness that exists

[gettoefl]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I do not recognize anything beyond Consciousness. There can only be one thing. That thing is Consciousness. There is nothing beyond it.

You have to really grasp the monumental nature of ONENESS.

For me consciousness is the dream. 

There is beyond the dream too

but not for a body mind ego.

Consciousness begins and consciousness ends.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

For me consciousness is the dream. 

It is the dream and it is the void in which the dream takes place. These are identical.

Everything is identical, in the end.

Edited Thursday at 03:56 PM by Leo Gura

[emil1234]

1 minute ago, gettoefl said:

For me consciousness is the dream. 

There is beyond the dream too

but not for a body mind ego.

Consciousness begins and consciousness ends.

where does it begin and where does it end tho?

notice the past does not exist. only NOW exists, and its impossible to locate both the beginning and the end of the NOW.

its eternal, no beginning, no end.

[PurpleTree]

Nice i enjoy this discussion between consciousness and nothingness. 

Although i think it’s leading nowhere (because there is nowhere)

[gettoefl]

2 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

but its hard to argue against the fact that behind your eyes, there is Nothingness. in deep sleep, there is Nothingness. and Nothingness, in virtue of it being Nothing, permiates all of existence.

I think its fair to draw  a distinction between Nothingness and consciousness, but also notice that the Nothingness EXISTS. which to me indicates that it is still a certain degree of consciousness, and thus consciousness can plausibly be viewed a the Absolute imo.

But one should not lightly cast away the notion of Nothingness, since it is the closest thing to an antithesis of consciousness that exists

Nothing is a pointer to what I am in the dream.

I am nothing that mind has a clue about and nothing that can be observed or measured.

Inside of that nothing exists the absolute everything.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

but its hard to argue against the fact that behind your eyes, there is Nothingness. in deep sleep, there is Nothingness

This is imaginary. These are constructs of Consciousness.

4 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

I think its fair to draw  a distinction between Nothingness and consciousness

No. They are identical.

[gettoefl]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is the dream and it is the void in which the dream takes place. These are identical.

Everything is identical, in the end.

Yes form and formlessness.

And then there is the absolute

from which these spring.

[gettoefl]

4 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

where does it begin and where does it end tho?

notice the past does not exist. only NOW exists, and its impossible to locate both the beginning and the end of the NOW.

its eternal, no beginning, no end.

Each moment is a distinct beginning and a distinct ending. 

Each thought comes and goes and each perception comes and goes.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Yes form and formlessness.

And then there is the absolute

from which these spring.

No! Stop inventing extra stuff.

Edited Thursday at 04:04 PM by Leo Gura

[emil1234]

@gettoefl i would say that content of the now comes and goes, consciousness is constant

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, emil1234 said:

@gettoefl i would say that content of the now comes and goes, consciousness is constant

No, that's also incorrect. Consciousness is not constant.

Edited Thursday at 04:05 PM by Leo Gura

[emil1234]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No, that's also incorrect. Consciousness is not constant.

if its not constant then what is it arising out of? and whatever that is, would that not be prior to consciousness?

[gettoefl]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No! Stop inventing extra stuff.

If form and formlessness are perceptions of mind, what is it that contains the mind? And what is it that is aware of both of these?

Not adding layers here but removing the need for them: That which conceives of no opposite, no beginning, and no end.

What if the Absolute isn't 'extra stuff' but simply That which IS, quietly untouched by all concepts, in particular the concept of 'non-duality' itself?

[fabger]

@Leo Gura Do you consider yourself more spiritually gifted than Ralston? In the domain of talent.

[gettoefl]

16 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

@gettoefl i would say that content of the now comes and goes, consciousness is constant

There is no constant but the absolute.

Is there something unchanging in the universe?

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

If form and formlessness are perceptions of mind,

Again, this is inventing extra stuff called mind and perceptions.

Mind is one, total, and absolute. The end. Stop here.

Edited Thursday at 04:23 PM by Leo Gura

[Javfly33]

1 minute ago, gettoefl said:

 

Is there something unchanging in the universe?

Ignorance maybe 

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, fabger said:

@Leo Gura Do you consider yourself more spiritually gifted than Ralston? In the domain of talent.

No way.

But I do understand things he does not. At least according to me. Whether that's true is up for you to discover.

Edited Thursday at 04:25 PM by Leo Gura