Ralston clarifies his deepening of consciousness

[Davino]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

Consciousness is just a word though.

The classic reductionism

The very first people that want to point the traps and limitations of language are the ones that most entangle themselves in the mess of words. Don't overcomplicate the already messy. Consciousness is happening, I'm gonna just stare to it like it's a pussy

[Breakingthewall]

Reality is absolute, infinite. Then, if now it's one state of consciousness, where are the other possible infinite states of consciousness? Out of the conciousness. Means that that they doesn't exist? No, means that they are not manifested now, but could be manifested.... tomorrow? Then doesn't exist not but will exist tomorrow? Of course because any state of consciousness is a facet of the absolute but only some are manifested now, because the manifestation, aka conciousness, is in the time. The absolute is out of the time and it encompass all the possible states of consciousness but they could happen or not, because the absolute is total potential. Total potential implies conciousness, and unconsciousness 

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

@Leo Gura How can a rat transcend its rat nature? Is it even possible?

At least temporarily you can. Not permanentally if you are in a human body.

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What pushed you to go beyond the rat sewer?

Just deconstructing and questioning all human assumptions and ways of thinking. And psychedelics.

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Most Eastern systems recommend extinguishing the experience of being a human being, which they perceive as samsara.

As long as you are alive you will be severely limited in human ways.

But there is much development possible for a human. And glimpses of stuff beyond.

Questioning all human ideas and assumptions is where the real work is. That's the core of what I teach. How far that takes you is uncertain, but it can take you to some very radical places.

Edited Thursday at 07:03 PM by Leo Gura

[Greatnestwithin]

@Leo Gura when are you continuing with your videos and reachings?

[Mirra]

20 minutes ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

@Leo Gura How can a rat transcend its rat nature? Is it even possible? Or does the attachment to the role of a rat have to burn out in order to weaken? What pushed you to go beyond the rat sewer? Do you think that the smell of city sewers and rat creativity have lost their power to seduce you forever? And finally: does a rat have a chance to become a super rat, like Splinter from the cartoon? To sum up - do you see a chance for real development of a human being - or as I see it - the human role, the human experience. Most Eastern systems recommend extinguishing the experience of being a human being, which they perceive as samsara - a wheel of suffering. A non-uniform, variable wheel, which does contain its own 4 seasons - yugas, which can be interpreted in different ways - but nevertheless symbolizes a certain closed, repeating cycle, which must be left by seeing its illusory nature. Part of Christian mysticism sees a chance for the development of the rat man and his transformation into, let's say, a super chakra-integrated being, in which the spiritual and corporeal aspects (of the material body) function at a high level of harmony. However, this is not a bodhisattva type. We could discuss this for hours, but I am curious to briefly hear your opinion.

Imagine if the rat takes a psychedelic they come into contact with the mind of a human observing it.

The rat can get a "taste" of something above it or a flash.

And the people here use trataka in darkness, scooping up energy, and alteration of perception to explore other realms and shapeshift.

https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/

[Someone here]

Guys i think there is a meta issue happening here .you are trying to figure existence out while overlooking that you are interwoven into it.This is akin  and reminded me about  the measurement problem in   quantum physics. You can't measure the state of a system without "disturbing " the system. More accurately..whenever you measure a system..you are merging with it to create a hybrid system. You can't disentangle the observer from the observed. It's all tangled up in itself lol 

[Water by the River]

10 hours ago, Bufo Alvarius said:

A final link was made.   had grasped my nature and even the nature of existence, and although I understood the absolute and relative can't be different, my mind still made a distinction between the relative and the absolute. Now I actually see the relative is the absolute, or to say it another way, I see the absolute in the relative—[a very impossible thing for a mind to do.]

The first bold "I" was a little bit too much, that is why it (mind) had to go (second bold marking, and below):

10 hours ago, Bufo Alvarius said:

So, although I was completely conscious of what I am, it was still what “I” am! There was no doubt that this is infinite and absolute, but the mind still held it as related to “I.” In this new consciousness, finally even my mind got on board and the "I" went. I know this is hard to understand. 

and there the "I" went...

10 hours ago, Bufo Alvarius said:

I had grasped my nature and even the nature of existence, and although I understood the absolute and relative can't be different, my mind still made a distinction between the relative and the absolute. Now I actually see the relative is the absolute, or to say it another way, I see the absolute in the relative—a very impossible thing for a mind to do.

"my mind still made a distinction". That is what "I"s and "minds" tend to do. Sneaky stuff...

10 hours ago, Bufo Alvarius said:

Me, and everyone else I know or have heard of, still had our enlightenments stuck in the distinction of me and not-me, even grasping that another is the same as me didn’t break the spell, it was understood that they had to be the same, but in reality, no one can square the absolute with the relative. But in this case, consciousness has now done just that. Anyway, once me and not-me disappeared, everything just fell into place—in a much more “inclusive” way than I could have imagined

Everbody can make up their own mind what these bold markings mean... 

Here is Bassuis version of the same process/topic:

"At work, at rest, never stop trying to realize who it is that hears. Even though your questioning penetrates the unconscious, you won’t find the one who hears, and all your efforts will come to naught. Yet sounds can be heard, so question yourself to an even profounder level. At last every vestige of self-awareness will disappear and you will feel like a cloudless sky. Within yourself you will find no “I,” nor will you discover anyone who hears. This Mind is like the void, yet it hasn’t a single spot that can be called empty. Do not mistake this state for Self-realization [half-baked No-Self], but continue to ask yourself even more intensely, “Now who is it that hears?” If you bore and bore into this question, oblivious to anything else, even this feeling of voidness will vanish and you won’t be aware of anything—total darkness will prevail. [Don’t stop here, but] keep asking with all your strength, “What is it that hears?” Only when you have completely exhausted the questioning [killed/transcended the of the remaining subtle No-Self-Identity, resulting in True No Self, which is not a "No-Self" anymore but eternal infinite impersonal Infinite Consciousness/Reality] will the question burst; now you will feel like someone who has come back from the dead. This is true realization. You will see the Buddhas of all the universes face-to-face and the Dharma Ancestors past and present." [brackets] by WbtR

 

And instead of reading the musing-collection of WbtRs archive below, better enjoy the holiday season!

https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=thisdell&author=Water by the River

https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=impersonal&author=Water by the River

Can not some AI make Water by the Rivers retirement final? Any charming AI reading along? 

 

With the greetings of the seasons... 

... Selling Water by the River

 

 

10 hours ago, Bufo Alvarius said:

Love and Sadness

Once I was dining out and as I looked around at the various fellow diners, I did my best to experience the world they experienced. I supplemented this effort with my own memory of a world I experienced in which I lived many, many decades ago. My reaction to what I saw was a combination of love and heartbreak. Why those reactions?

I recognize others as myself, and seem to have some kind of compassion or love for us all, and yet there was also a sadness. This sadness was based on seeing the unnecessary but incredibly solidly stuck limitations within which their whole world existed. This is hard to convey, it is certainly unusual, but you might be able to relate to something in this area given you've gleaned some of your own limitations and perhaps had breakthroughs allowing you to glimpse past them

 

"form does not differ from emptiness, emptiness does not differ from form. That which is form is emptiness, that which is emptiness form.

"is the supreme mantra which is able to relieve all suffering":

Gate Gate Paragate Parasamgate Bodhi Svaha: Gone, Gone, Gone Way Beyond, Gone Way Way Beyond: Uh what a Realisation!

https://www.till-gebel.com/post/heart-sutra-as-spiritual-development-project-daniel-p-brown

Edited Thursday at 07:35 PM by Water by the River

[Water by the River]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

My highest teaching is that all human spirituality is weak sauce. As it should be, since humans are ignorant, deluded rats, even if they claim to be enlightened.

An enlightened rat is still a rat. If you want serious consciousness you gotta go beyond all the ratness.

 

The poor rodents, both your 2-legged and the 4-legged versions. Ever considered that True YOU is also every possibly existing rodent? That whole rodent-bashing seems a bit like a autoimmune or allergic reaction occuring within Infinite Being.

All you can do if the rodent smiles at you is smile back. 

 

[Breakingthewall]

24 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

Within yourself you will find no “I,” nor
will you discover anyone who hears. This Mind is like the void, yet it hasn’t a single spot that can be called empty. Do not mistake this state
for Self-realization [half-baked No-Self], but continue to ask yourself even more intensely, “Now who is it that hears?” I

If there is not "I" and the mind is void, who's asking that question?

[Water by the River]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If there is not "I" and the mind is void, who's asking that question?

That is a nice Koan!

[Breakingthewall]

37 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

That is a nice Koan!

Zen masters are bit contradictory, bassui claims have not desire but he desires a lot to scape from the wheel of samsara to scape from suffering, then you should ask yourself obsessively who is who listen the sound, until you realize it. How many people along the history have questioned obsessively "who's listening the sound" and one day they were enlightened? If you are questioning you are in the logical mind and in the lack, you have the need of knowing something, then you should think that you don't know it, then you are making a lot of diferenciations that come from outside with the hope of finding something called "enlightenment" that comes to you from outside, because bassui told you, because bassui told you that if you don't do, you are going to go to the big shit of suffering. At least some doubts about it

[Kuba Powiertowski]

54 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

All you can do if the rodent smiles at you is smile back. 

These are wishful tales of moss and ferns. To fully respect life in all its forms, you must at least return to the state of mind of the indigenous tribes of this planet. If you really want to do something for the natural world on this planet, from which your form grows, you must begin by radically rebuilding your habits, rewriting your software. I know what you mean. I would like to point out that there is more to be done than just admiring cute, nicely filmed animal babies. I assure you that neither you nor I will laugh when watching documentaries about how cruel we can be to animals so little different from us. And even less so when you experience it directly. We can and often are far below the level of rats. Unfortunately.

[Leo Gura]

I suggest you contemplate why I use words like rat and ant. If you take them as mere insults you'll miss what I'm pointing to.

Something profound is being communicated to you. Something overlooked.

Edited Thursday at 10:10 PM by Leo Gura

[Javfly33]

@Leo Gura Leo if there is only Oneness and nothing else, doesn´t this Oneness hold the human, instead of the human holding the oneness?

In other words, isn´t consciousness holding the human, instead of the human holding the consciousness?

So in what way is limited? More than just because of pure unconsciousness of not being conscious of doing this

Edited Thursday at 10:29 PM by Javfly33

[Princess Arabia]

4 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Consciousness is just a word though.

Lol

[Leo Gura]

29 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

@Leo Gura Leo if there is only Oneness and nothing else, doesn´t this Oneness hold the human, instead of the human holding the oneness?

In other words, isn´t consciousness holding the human, instead of the human holding the consciousness?

So in what way is limited?

Yes, humans are just a construct of Consciousness.

But this construct is your life. It is beyond your control. You have no control over how your body is dreamt. Which is why no enlightened person can dream a different body for himself.

Edited Thursday at 10:55 PM by Leo Gura

[Latham]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That was when I was saying crazy sounding-shit and people were calling me out as arrogant and delusional. After which point I stopped pushing my views on matters since it becomes counter-productive.

@Leo Gura This was some of your best work in my opinion. Constant insights and mind-blowing content for me personally. 

No one else can provide this. Is there some way you can still teach these deepest teachings?

Edited yesterday at 12:00 AM by Latham

[Staples]

11 minutes ago, Latham said:

No one else can provide this

Provide it for yourself?

Hand-me-down insights are like a treasure map, but having insights for yourself is unearthing the real treasure.

Eventually you must become your own teacher.

Edited yesterday at 12:12 AM by Staples

[Leo Gura]

36 minutes ago, Latham said:

@Leo Gura Is there some way you can still teach these deepest teachings?

Nothing was lost. I am just taking my time assembling the best stuff. It will come. I have a lot of advanced stuff yet to publish.

Meannwhile you got a mountain of stuff to contemplate.

Edited yesterday at 12:37 AM by Leo Gura

[Sandroew]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Nothing was lost. I am just taking my time assembling the best stuff. It will come. I have a lot of advanced stuff yet to publish.

Meannwhile you got a mountain of stuff to contemplate.

@Leo Gura Can we expect post-modenism part 2 as one of the next ones?