Ralston clarifies his deepening of consciousness

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

Still strikes me in a weird way that those we consider “spiritually gifted” can also lack a fundamental understanding of Consciousness. That understanding seems to go beyond any human notions of spirituality.

Of course it is beyond all human capabilities.

Just realize that humans are ants. Humans understand nothing, from the ultimate point of view.

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In fact what is spirituality (or notions of being “spiritual/spiritually gifted”) other than a mental construct within Consciousness? 

Of course.

My highest teaching is that all human spirituality is weak sauce. As it should be, since humans are ignorant, deluded rats, even if they claim to be enlightened.

An enlightened rat is still a rat. If you want serious consciousness you gotta go beyond all the ratness.

Edited Thursday at 05:35 PM by Leo Gura

[gettoefl]

4 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

Still strikes me in a weird way that those we consider “spiritually gifted” can also lack a fundamental understanding of Consciousness. That understanding seems to go beyond any human notions of spirituality.

In fact what is spirituality (or notions of being “spiritual/spiritually gifted”) other than a mental construct within Consciousness? 

For most teachers indeed.

Choose your path with care.

[Davino]

I feel amazed about what can be done in consciousness and how little has been shared. I almost feel compelled to start some kind of public communications by this point. It feels like a universal duty. I still consider myself in an embryonic stage of my Awakening possibilities yet whoever I talk with and the spiritual field of all ages, I rarely find some expression that I say: I have not Awaken to that.

I do have a private club of what I consider my Gurus, rare almost unheard and all deceased but two. I hope to meet them before death happens. As the saying goes, as crazy as you are don't worry there'll always be someone crazier than you.

Edited Thursday at 05:32 PM by Davino

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My highest teaching is that all human spirituality is weak sauce. As it should be, since humans are ignorant, deluded rats, even if they claim to be enlightened.

That's true in the sense of knowing the scope and structure of manifest reality, but a human can be completely open to the essence of reality, to what reality is, even if he is a mentally retarded person who cannot learn to read.

What closes perception is the genetic configuration of the mental structure programmed by evolution for survival. Evolution is not interested in mentally retarded people in mystical ecstasy who are open to the essence of reality, but as a possibility it is possible. It is also possible that this mentally retarded person is unable to learn to speak, and still be completely enlightened. Enlightenment is the openess to the immutable that's the source of everything, not the understanding of the manifested reality aka conciousness 

[Bufo Alvarius]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The question is, what conciousness is? Really conciousness is just perception, perception means the fact of perceiving something. You can't imagine anything without perception because "you", the self that arises being an human is made of perception.

Consciousness is the core of reality, serving as both, the source and processor of information.

Perception is how consciousness accesses and interacts with information. Consciousness uses perception to interpret information, which give rise to the reality we experience.

So, if reality doesn't manifest as perception, it doesn't mean consciousness ceases to exist; rather, it might not be actively engaging with that reality. Consciousness persists but is in a more dormant or non-experiential state until it encounters a new reality information stream to perceive. Of course, that information stream arises out of itself, as stated in the beginning, consciousness serves as both, the source and processor of information. 

After all, you are a piece of consciousness in a larger web of the totality of Consciousness. 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Bufo Alvarius said:

Consciousness is the core of reality, serving as both, the source and processor of information.

Perception is how consciousness accesses and interacts with information. Consciousness uses perception to interpret information, which give rise to the reality we experience.

So, if reality doesn't manifest as perception, it doesn't mean consciousness ceases to exist; rather, it might not be actively engaging with that reality. Consciousness persists but is in a more dormant or non-experiential state until it encounters a new reality information stream to perceive. Of course, that information stream arises out of itself, as stated in the beginning, consciousness serves as both, the source and processor of information. 

After all, you are a piece of consciousness in a larger web of the totality of Consciousness. 

Then you are defining conciousness like something that is beyond conciousness. Conciousness means reality manifested, reality that is conciouss of itself, that perceives itself. If really doesn't perceive itself there is not conciousness. 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It is also possible that this mentally retarded person is unable to learn to speak, and still be completely enlightened.

This is a fantasy. A retarded person is not going to comprehend God.

[Leo Gura]

Consciousness cannot be explained or defined because there is only one thing, Consciousness, leaving nothing with which to describe it.

Consciousness is what you are experiencing right now. You are conscious. Notice that. No words can describe that better than your feeling of it.

Red is red. If you want to know what red is, stop talking and just stare at red. So it is with Consciousness.

Edited Thursday at 05:49 PM by Leo Gura

[Bufo Alvarius]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then you are defining conciousness like something that is beyond conciousness. Conciousness means reality manifested, reality that is conciouss of itself, that perceives itself. If really doesn't perceive itself there is not conciousness. 

Consciousness is the fundamental building block of reality. Perceptions are information streams accessed by consciousness. 

You, as a piece of consciousness, receive these information streams from the greater part of your Consciousness. 

[gettoefl]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then you are defining conciousness like something that is beyond conciousness. Conciousness means reality manifested, reality that is conciouss of itself, that perceives itself. If really doesn't perceive itself there is not conciousness. 

Why does reality require consciousness?

To see and play with all its myriad configurations.

It split itself into the many and conceived a fully-fledged living breathing universe.

It was a silly, half-baked suffering-inducing idea (by one of its creations which all are given free will to do as they wish) 

but it is reversible any moment it pleases.

Nothing compares to the absolute perfection.

Edited Thursday at 06:02 PM by gettoefl

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Why does reality require consciousness?

Because reality has not limits that prevent it being fully concious of itself, then conciousness arises, but absolute reality is beyond conciousness. But anyway, that discussion is meaningless, anyone can understand it in different ways, what's important is be able to open our field of consciousness to perceive the nature of reality, the flow that we are and the depth that is being manifested to realize that we are that, we are always at home, evolving with the movement of reality in our mind and heart. Seems that there is a evolutive process taking place, then let's evolve as much as is possible 

[Breakingthewall]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Consciousness is what you are

You said that there are levels of consciousness, and that's true, then there are levels of what reality is? No, there are levels of what reality is concious of itself. When you talk about alien conciousness you mean a higher level of consciousness, then your actual level of consciousness is limited, same than the level of any human, because as you said we are like rats in level of consciousness in comparison of what is possible. But same time we are the whole reality, but only concious of itself in part. In a higher part that a rat but less than a hiper concious alien. When I said about a retarded being enlightened it's not a retarded being infinitely conciousness, is being concious of the substance, the flow of reality now, but very limited about the depth. I guess that it's possible be fully concious of reality, but not being human. 

Anyway, all that implies that you are the whole reality now, but partially concious of yourself 

Edited Thursday at 06:24 PM by Breakingthewall

[Leo Gura]

Reality is consciousness in various states.

[gengar]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Because he obviously has a very deep and exceptional level of consciousness. But as I have said, there are many degrees and even different kinds of awakening.

I gave him a privileged position back before I had my own intense awakenings in which I realized the limitations in his teachings. It took me 200+ awakenings to deconstruct all the elaborate illusions of nonduality, Buddhism, and self-inquiry. That was when I was saying crazy sounding-shit and people were calling me out as arrogant and delusional. After which point I stopped pushing my views on matters since it becomes counter-productive.

Well, I am still saying that there is even deeper consciousness than that.

It took me something like 200+ awakenings to break free of all human spirituality and gain total soverienty over my own mind. Until that is achieved the mind will be bogged down by very sneaky human spiritual constructs.

What mind are you talking about that you have total sovereignity over? The human mind or, the actual mind which according to you is the only thing in existence? If you have total sovereignity over that why can't you cure your diseases, if all that is imagined by the one mind anyway?

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, gengar said:

What mind are you talking about that you have total sovereignity over? The human mind or, the actual mind which according to you is the only thing in existence? If you have total sovereignity over that why can't you cure your diseases, if all that is imagined by the one mind anyway?

By sovereignty over my mind I just mean that I am aware that my mind is constructing reality and all human spiritual teachings. This does not mean that I am in control of what the mind is doing. My mind does stuff which I do not control. Mind is on auto-pilot mostly. I am at God's mercy. If God wants to give me a disease or drop a rock on my head, I don't have a choice in that matter.

Edited Thursday at 06:38 PM by Leo Gura

[Davino]

47 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Consciousness is what you are experiencing right now. You are conscious. Notice that. No words can describe that better than your feeling of it.

Red is red. If you want to know what red is, stop talking and just stare at red. So it is with Consciousness.

Lmao, that's literally the heart of my meditation practice.

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Preliminaries:

Focus on the breath. Center myself in the moment. Pranayama

Vipassana till the body is fluid.

Expansion / open eyes. Stretch Field of experience as far as possible

Heart of the practice:

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What is Consciousness?

Centered in Consciousness I abide

Tip for hindrances: If distractions arise, it’s because I’ve lost awareness of my breath.

Closing:

Invocation of Gurus and cardinal energetic points inside and outside the body.

Blessings and last soaking in the Omnipresence of God.

Go about my day as Awake as possible

 

Edited Thursday at 06:36 PM by Davino

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Leo Gura How can a rat transcend its rat nature? Is it even possible? Or does the attachment to the role of a rat have to burn out in order to weaken? What pushed you to go beyond the rat sewer? Do you think that the smell of city sewers and rat creativity have lost their power to seduce you forever? And finally: does a rat have a chance to become a super rat, like Splinter from the cartoon? To sum up - do you see a chance for real development of a human being - or as I see it - the human role, the human experience. Most Eastern systems recommend extinguishing the experience of being a human being, which they perceive as samsara - a wheel of suffering. A non-uniform, variable wheel, which does contain its own 4 seasons - yugas, which can be interpreted in different ways - but nevertheless symbolizes a certain closed, repeating cycle, which must be left by seeing its illusory nature. Part of Christian mysticism sees a chance for the development of the rat man and his transformation into, let's say, a super chakra-integrated being, in which the spiritual and corporeal aspects (of the material body) function at a high level of harmony. However, this is not a bodhisattva type. We could discuss this for hours, but I am curious to briefly hear your opinion.

[Davino]

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Reality is consciousness in various states.

Like water manifesting states: ice, liquid, gaseous...

One of the biggest shifts in my perception happened when I realized reality is not made of atoms or anything material but that is made out of Pure Consciousness and Consciousness is a sentient Infinite Mind which is intelligence and runs itself in jaw breaking perfection.

[PurpleTree]

Consciousness is just a word though.

[Davino]

@Kuba Powiertowski My life purpouse is:

Thrive as a human & Awaken as God

In more detail you can read my signature:

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God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty. We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Virtuous and Conscious. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life God is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, ... 

Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

I think it's not that hard to realize God Consciousness, you just need to really want it. Do all spiritual practices and stay with the ones that work for you. Do a shit tone of 5meo. There you have it. Why no body does it? Just throw yourself in the pursuit of Truth like a maniac