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[Leeo_SA]

Everyone who understands German is welcome! 

Group about topics regarding Germany, Austria and Switzerland.

Where are you from?

I am from Basel, Switzerland 

[Candle]

6 hours ago, Leeo_SA said:

Everyone who understands German is welcome! 

Group about topics regarding Germany, Austria and Switzerland.

Where are you from?

I am from Basel, Switzerland 

What are the pros and cons of living in Switzerland? What problems do you face? What do you like about this country? @Leeo_SA

Edited 21 hours ago by Candle

[Leeo_SA]

10 minutes ago, Candle said:

What are the pros and cons of living in Switzerland? What problems do you face? What do you like about this country? @Leeo_SA

Nice question.

Pros:

- affordable Healthcare: We pay between 300 to 900 EUR / month for healthcare, depends on age, insurance company and selectable additions according your preference.

- affordable education: University is about 300 EUR / semester (except private Universities)

- public transport is rather expensive but in 95% of all cases on time

- we have high income and high costs, but at the end, we save a lot of money. F.e. I had an income of 6000 EUR / month and expenses of 2500 EUR (1/2 of an 3.5 room apartment, car, food, insurance etc.) so at the end I saved about 3000-3500 EUR each month which is a lot.

- very low taxes on income: About 10-12% of your yearly income. They increase however progressively which means, if you earn more, you pay more.- homeless people choose to be on the street (or have psychological issue): When you dont have any income, you get about 2100 EUR per month (social welfare)

- low criminality (f.e. Basel is the most criminal city in switzerland with 13 delicts per 1000 citicens compared to Munich in germany, which is the most save city in germany, they have 64 delicts / 1000).

 

Pros in comparasion with germany (my GF is from Munich, so I have some knowledge in german system):

- not so much bureaucracy

- no two-tier society: The healthcare system in Germany is often perceived as a kind of two-tier society. Those with private insurance are in first class, with faster appointments and better services, while those with statutory insurance often have to wait longer and do not have the same access to all services.

 

Cons:

- Taxes on assets (I believe, german people dont have taxes on assets, just on interests)

- Swiss food (I love cheese fondue or raclette, älplermacaronen, rösti but except of that, swiss doesnt have a lot to offer from switzerland itself. But we have a lot of foreign restaurants especially italian food and a lot of kebab take aways) my subjective view

- When you meet new swiss people, they are really friendly but it takes time to become friends. They need to see the people a few times, after that time, it is easier) my subjective view

[Exystem]

Hi there!

I'm from munich and recently in Salzburg a lot. I'd wish to connect to more people in real life philosophizing about the stuff here

[Leeo_SA]

@Exystem

26 minutes ago, Exystem said:

Hi there!

I'm from munich and recently in Salzburg a lot. I'd wish to connect to more people in real life philosophizing about the stuff here

Hi @Exystem, nice to meet you! Same here, if you want to have a videocall, I am in!

[Candle]

@Leeo_SA

So basically there are no cons. You're living in heaven. It's hard for people to immigrate there. Bcz it has 4 different languages. And many other reasons. 

Come visit a 3rd world country. Get some taste of it. . In 3rd world countries, people produce too many babies. (Law of nature : the weak produce more babies. Rabbits reproduce more, lions do less). 

Our one city's population is more than that of your whole country. 

And no one cares about the life of an ordinary citizen. So there's no welfare system here.  

16 hours ago, Leeo_SA said:

When you dont have any income, you get about 2100 EUR per month (social welfare)

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Candle

[Leeo_SA]

@Candle I know, I am really privileged to be born in such a country. The 4 different languages are no issue. You just need to learn one of them and stay in that area. It depends on the immigrants origin / passport and if he / she has a joboffer in switzerland.

I visited Peru and Colombia. Besides the richer parts I saw also a lot of poverty.

But I cannot grasp how life is in 3rd world country.

Besides your circumstances living in a 3rd world country, are you happy? 

[Candle]

3 minutes ago, Leeo_SA said:

Besides your circumstances living in a 3rd world country, are you happy? 

No. I'm not. But sadness and happiness both are parts of life. Bcz sadness is there, I appreciate happiness. 

Sometimes it's too overwhelming. But it's okay. Good times are also there. 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Candle

[Leeo_SA]

@Candle Feel hugged my friend!

[Candle]

Just now, Leeo_SA said:

@Candle Feel hugged my friend!

 

Thanks a lot. Hugs to you as well. 🫂 I love good humans. 

And I don't identify with national identity or family identity. I see humanity, no matter they are in my family or strangers. 

[mmKay]

18 hours ago, Leeo_SA said:

When you dont have any income, you get about 2100 EUR per month (social welfare)

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[Leeo_SA]

@Candle Same here. Nationality, family aso are just concepts. Further, we couldn't choose where we wanted to be born. I think our way is to accept ourself in our situation as good as we can. 

To be friendly to myself is my personal challenge since my last LSD trip. I saw, that I couldn't trust myself due to my addiction, promising myself over and over again, that I want to stay sober but finding myself with the same behaviour. I think beating ourselfs up and have a negative behaviour with ourself is a general problem. we dont treat our friends in the same way that we do with ourselfs.

MAITRI 🙏

 

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, mmKay said:

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You actually do have to do stuff to get the money. Go to meetings, write applications for jobs., go to programs.

If they offer you a shit job (like cleaning the park) you have to accept it. Otherwise they fine you/take some of your money. And i think usually it’s much less than 2100