False Spiritual Leaders - Sadhguru and others...

[Hojo]

There is no such thing as the end. I hear a story about buddha he saved infinite beings and then turned around and saw there was infinite more beings to save.

Moksha is when God saves you by blowing up the planet with a meteor. It will save every being by blowing the earth up.

Edited 7 hours ago by Hojo

[PurpleTree]

37 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

What's happening now is that You read a story, an explanation, its conflicting with what You believe to be truth, so the ego will do what it must to protect the belief.. This is Intellect and Identity.. Your Intellect wraps around the Identity that is formed within us unconsciously, it will only involve itself with the identity that is there, that's it, so now one of the most effective tools we have available to us is shut off, this is why belief is blinding..

What Your doing is You ask a question, ppl only ask questions to seek answers.. I gave one, it contradicts what You believe so now the answer is just nothing, a simple story to be believed or not.. Why not do neither, don't believe what I wrote or disbelieve, find out for yourself..be curious enough to really investigate, rather than ask questions and receive answers Your ego doesn't want to hear then repeat cycle over and over again to get more trapped in belief systems.. just try something for once and see what happens..

There isn‘t anything that i believe. That’s the difference. 

[Schizophonia]

You have a problem, everything you have against sadghuru is a poor little joke or similar remarks like that when he spends his time doing voluntary work.

And besides that you talk about Osho who had weak cognitive development (clearly weaker than sadghuru) and regularly said disdainful or even misanthropic things, and this time it was not black humor.

[PurpleTree]

🎄🌞

Edited 7 hours ago by PurpleTree

[Ishanga]

21 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

There isn‘t anything that i believe. That’s the difference. 

You definitely have belief, maybe its unconscious to You, but we all do, that is part of the work or Sadhana to reveal all the beliefs and wipe them out so that we can see reality clearly, with belief You cannot perceive reality with Clarity!

[PurpleTree]

6 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

You definitely have belief, maybe its unconscious to You, but we all do, that is part of the work or Sadhana to reveal all the beliefs and wipe them out so that we can see reality clearly, with belief You cannot perceive reality with Clarity!

You’re right. I do have beliefs. Like:

-If your bubble hasn’t popped there’s no need to give advice to others how to do it. 

-Using indian words like Sadhana is mostly silly.

-Worshipping most or all of those gurus is silly 

-There probably isn’t free will

( which kind of collapses all of the before mentioned beliefs. Because then there is no free will to worship a guru, give advice and use indian words like Sadhana etc.)

 

[Ishanga]

@PurpleTree I'm so glad I am not You,  Your on my ignore list:)

 

[Javfly33]

18 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

You definitely have belief, maybe its unconscious to You, but we all do, that is part of the work or Sadhana to reveal all the beliefs and wipe them out so that we can see reality clearly, with belief You cannot perceive reality with Clarity!

Exactly, with belief you don´t perceive reality, you perceive your own imagination/fantasy = mind/beliefs.

Enlightment is nothing more than just perceiving, moment to moment, Truth and nothing more than the Truth.

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

@PurpleTree I'm so glad I am not You,  Your on my ignore list:)

 

Alright Merry Christmas 🎄 💜

[Jodistrict]

It’s futile arguing about whether someone is a good guru or not.   I believe that it depends on a gut level impression and then we look for evidence to validate what we feel.  For me, at a gut level, Sadhguru just doesn’t appeal to me so I tend to look for the evidence to confirm my opinion.   For others, the turbin, beard, robes, and accent produce instant trust and there is no way you are going to convince them otherwise.   In India, they have a million gods for a reason.  Everyone can choose the particular god they resonate with.  The spiritual path is very individual.  Osho once commented that the organized religions are not the highest teachings because “when you talk to the masses you have to make compromises”.  The important thing is to just start on the path where you are at. 

[Breakingthewall]

@Ishanga there is something interesting about sadhguru: he never talk about meditation. Meditation in the sense of the observation of the mind, the structures of the experience and the experienced, the difference between void and full, those things that make the mind plastic, flexible. His approach to enlightenment y mostly physical, energetic. That's right? Shadana doesn't care about the movement in the mind right? Just about the energetic flow

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Ishanga there is something interesting about sadhguru: he never talk about meditation. Meditation in the sense of the observation of the mind, the structures of the experience and the experienced, the difference between void and full, those things that make the mind plastic, flexible. His approach to enlightenment y mostly physical, energetic. That's right? Shadana doesn't care about the movement in the mind right? Just about the energetic flow

He talks about functioning from an Existential POV, rather than from a Survival POV or Mind/Thoughts/Desires POV, so its about setting up the atmosphere, the ambiance within You so that flowering and Wellbeing/Enlightenment happen naturally, nothing will happen if the Energies are not intense enough and directed to the right places, and if the mind or wrong identifications are still in place then nothing will happen, same old life, work, sleep, have kids, get old, die, repeat cycle... 

[Ishanga]

9 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

It’s futile arguing about whether someone is a good guru or not.   I believe that it depends on a gut level impression and then we look for evidence to validate what we feel.  For me, at a gut level, Sadhguru just doesn’t appeal to me so I tend to look for the evidence to confirm my opinion.   For others, the turbin, beard, robes, and accent produce instant trust and there is no way you are going to convince them otherwise.   In India, they have a million gods for a reason.  Everyone can choose the particular god they resonate with.  The spiritual path is very individual.  Osho once commented that the organized religions are not the highest teachings because “when you talk to the masses you have to make compromises”.  The important thing is to just start on the path where you are at. 

I don't think Sadhguru is a "Good" Guru, he's just very effective that's all...

This stuff about Good, Bad, don't like, like its all Ego, this place is full of Ego even though its supposed to be about Spirit which is beyond Ego..

[Javfly33]

41 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Ishanga Meditation in the sense of the observation of the mind, the structures of the experience and the experienced, the difference between void and full, those things that make the mind plastic, flexible. His approach to enlightenment y mostly physical, energetic. That's right? Shadana doesn't care about the movement in the mind right? Just about the energetic flow

There are two programs Samyama https://isha.sadhguru.org/us/en/yoga-meditation/yoga-program-advanced/samyama and Shoonya https://isha.sadhguru.org/in/en/yoga-meditation/yoga-program-advanced/shoonya-meditation I haven´t done them but apparently these two are straight sit meditation, but they are advanced programs, I think you can not apply to them before practicing the basic ones for some time or something like that. 

Seems Sadhguru approach is indeed on the physical energy level, creating an intense activation on the energy, so then meditation becomes as single pointed as it can get. Or in other words is like revving the engine some time before accelerating.

In the Yoga processes it works like that, meditation is always at the end, the idea is when you sit to meditate body is calmed and relaxed but energy is high, something within is on fire, so the meditation is short but intense, a door should open fast, if not you didn´t revved the engine well. More fire next time so when you sit to meditate it should just blow up, we dont want to be there 3 hours waiting for the door to the open, we want to smash it through sheer intensity from within, that's how I'd say Sadhguru tools work

(Although those 2 advanced meditation programs might work in different way, maybe different approach, longer meditation time)

Edited 6 hours ago by Javfly33

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

There are two programs Samyama https://isha.sadhguru.org/us/en/yoga-meditation/yoga-program-advanced/samyama and Shoonya https://isha.sadhguru.org/in/en/yoga-meditation/yoga-program-advanced/shoonya-meditation I haven´t done them but apparently these two are straight sit meditation, but they are advanced programs, I think you can not apply to them before practicing the basic ones for some time or something like that. 

Seems Sadhguru approach is indeed on the physical energy level, creating an intense activation on the energy, so then meditation becomes as single pointed as it can get. Or in other words is like revving the engine some time before accelerating.

In the Yoga processes it works like that, meditation is always at the end, the idea is when you sit to meditate body is calmed and relaxed but energy is high, something within is on fire, so the meditation is short but intense, a door should open fast, if not you didn´t revved the engine well. More fire next time so when you sit to meditate it should just blow up, we dont want to be there 3 hours waiting for the door to the open, we want to smash it through sheer intensity from within, that's how I'd say Sadhguru tools work

 

Yes, its inline with the 8 limb Yoga method, he has just modernized it and made it more available to today's ppl, he also made the Shambhavi siddhi free, so I guess it was there before but energetically he did something to it, so he works on that Level allot, he's a chakrawara or something like that they say, Master of the Energy/Chakras, he must be if he can consecrate temples and create the Dylanalinga...

[Fadl]

I never liked this sadguru guy. 

He avoid to answer because he knows nothing.. and I'm pretty sure if he got cornered he will get angry and shows his true self (they always do).

Anyone who charges money to teach you about God is fake. People who pay the money are stupid clowns. That just how it is. 

Buy this course from me and you will become closer to God. Isn't that the most ridiculous thing on earth!!!? What level of consciousness lead to this? Not a very high level in my opinion.. from both sides, the seller and the buyer.

Stupidity has no cure. 

I think he will get exposed one day.