False Spiritual Leaders - Sadhguru and others...

[Javfly33]

 

5 hours ago, Hojo said:

 

yo·gi

noun

noun: yogi; plural noun: yogis

a person who is proficient in yoga.

What does it mean to live as someone proficient in yoga, how does one act like a practitioner of yoga?

I think the person has to be a representation of Yoga: stillness, exuberance, active and steady mind, energetic and tenacious body. Sitting peacefully, walking gracefully. A true Yogui must be 24/7 In Yoga (union).

 

[PurpleTree]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

 

I think the person has to be a representation of Yoga: stillness, exuberance, active and steady mind, energetic and tenacious body. Sitting peacefully, walking gracefully. A true Yogui must be 24/7 In Yoga (union).

 

In union with what?

 

 

[Hojo]

@PurpleTree the dream.

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@PurpleTree the dream.

Isn’t there a seeming separation/duality then?

[Ishanga]

3 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

In union with what?

 

 

In Union with Everything Living, its not a dream, You are alive, everyone here is Alive, we have separate Bodies, then the other life forms, we can be in Union with all of it, as all life comes from the same source...So Yoga is the Science of allowing again this Experience of Union to come into one's Experience, right now there are things blocking this experience, like identity, low intense energy, low awareness...

[PurpleTree]

15 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

In Union with Everything Living, its not a dream, You are alive, everyone here is Alive, we have separate Bodies, then the other life forms, we can be in Union with all of it, as all life comes from the same source...So Yoga is the Science of allowing again this Experience of Union to come into one's Experience, right now there are things blocking this experience, like identity, low intense energy, low awareness...

Alright  🎄 

[Hojo]

@PurpleTree there is when you are not in union. Being in union is ending yourself and letting reality be one dream with no dreamer.

One who is a yogi will instantly start doing yoga without being taught how to do it.

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Hojo

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@PurpleTree there is when you are not in union. Being in union is ending yourself and letting reality be one dream with no dreamer.

And who would be doing that?

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

And who would be doing that?

Think of Life as the Dynamic version/potential of Absolute, it has Qualities, Dualities, Attributes, Atoms, Intelligence, Manifestation.. This Life is everywhere, in the animate and inanimate, as atoms are present everywhere right in manifestation..

Now think of Life like Air/O2, and You are a bubble, with the skin of the bubble encasing some Air within It.  This Bubble/You has many capabilities, we can be Aware or UnAware, so right now most ppl think/identify that they are the skin of the bubble, but in reality they are mostly the AIR within the Bubble. 

Once You, via many methods or naturally for some, burst this Bubble, the AIR inside merges with the AIR in the atmosphere, hence there is no individual bubble, no individual identity, no expression or experience.. That is the goal of Spiritual Path or Yoga as the Science of how to do it.. 

[Hojo]

@PurpleTree God. If you were doing yoga in a dream who is doing the yoga?

[PurpleTree]

7 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Think of Life as the Dynamic version/potential of Absolute, it has Qualities, Dualities, Attributes, Atoms, Intelligence, Manifestation.. This Life is everywhere, in the animate and inanimate, as atoms are present everywhere right in manifestation..

Now think of Life like Air/O2, and You are a bubble, with the skin of the bubble encasing some Air within It.  This Bubble/You has many capabilities, we can be Aware or UnAware, so right now most ppl think/identify that they are the skin of the bubble, but in reality they are mostly the AIR within the Bubble. 

Once You, via many methods or naturally for some, burst this Bubble, the AIR inside merges with the AIR in the atmosphere, hence there is no individual bubble, no individual identity, no expression or experience.. That is the goal of Spiritual Path or Yoga as the Science of how to do it.. 

So has your bubble burst?

[Hojo]

@PurpleTree Mine did when it bursts you see the void is just there behind everything.

[Ishanga]

15 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

So has your bubble burst?

No, if it had I would not be posting.. The Bubble bursting is Moksha or Liberation, no more cycle of birth/death/birth, or new bubble being created.  From what I research most that reach Enlightenment Experience, some at the moment of body death, some strive for it via Yoga and other methods, they Dissolve and are Liberated, no more cycle either.. How this all happens I do not know, the Intelligence that allows the Potential and Possibility of the Absolute to be manifested here is responsible for that, I don't know how it functions or intimate details, but see my Sadhguru knowledge thread he certain has more insight to it than most!

[PurpleTree]

2 hours ago, Hojo said:

@PurpleTree Mine did when it bursts you see the void is just there behind everything.

Nice

2 hours ago, Ishanga said:

No, if it had I would not be posting.. The Bubble bursting is Moksha or Liberation, no more cycle of birth/death/birth, or new bubble being created.  From what I research most that reach Enlightenment Experience, some at the moment of body death, some strive for it via Yoga and other methods, they Dissolve and are Liberated, no more cycle either.. How this all happens I do not know, the Intelligence that allows the Potential and Possibility of the Absolute to be manifested here is responsible for that, I don't know how it functions or intimate details, but see my Sadhguru knowledge thread he certain has more insight to it than most!

Ok but if your bubble didn’t burst.

Why are you telling me how bubbles are supposed to burst?

So it’s all just like a nice Christmas story.

Heresay?

The blind leading the blind all over again?

Merry Christmas 🎄 

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Nice

Ok but if your bubble didn’t burst.

Why are you telling me how bubbles are supposed to burst?

So it’s all just like a nice Christmas story.

Heresay?

The blind leading the blind all over again?

Merry Christmas 🎄 

You asked, I used an analogy to explain it... if you don't ask I won't answer..

All of what goes on here is just a story, its just stimulation for some ppl, it can only inspire or un inspire, chose how to interpret it... 

Edited 9 hours ago by Ishanga

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

You asked, I used an analogy to explain it... if you don't ask I won't answer..

All of what goes on here is just a story, its just stimulation for some ppl, it can only inspire or un inspire, chose how to interpret it... 

Alright but you wouldn’t really know if what you wrote is bs and just a story then?

[Ishanga]

17 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Alright but you wouldn’t really know if what you wrote is bs and just a story then?

What's happening now is that You read a story, an explanation, its conflicting with what You believe to be truth, so the ego will do what it must to protect the belief.. This is Intellect and Identity.. Your Intellect wraps around the Identity that is formed within us unconsciously, it will only involve itself with the identity that is there, that's it, so now one of the most effective tools we have available to us is shut off, this is why belief is blinding..

What Your doing is You ask a question, ppl only ask questions to seek answers.. I gave one, it contradicts what You believe so now the answer is just nothing, a simple story to be believed or not.. Why not do neither, don't believe what I wrote or disbelieve, find out for yourself..be curious enough to really investigate, rather than ask questions and receive answers Your ego doesn't want to hear then repeat cycle over and over again to get more trapped in belief systems.. just try something for once and see what happens..

Edited 7 hours ago by Ishanga

[Breakingthewall]

What @PurpleTree says is that this idea about cycles or reincarnation that ends when you achieve "enlightenment" maybe is just a mistake and reality doesn't works like that. @Ishanga why do you believe that? Maybe you achieve moksha and then are more cycles, or maybe reincarnation is a misunderstanding and never happened. Have those ideas without really knowing them seems a hindrance 

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What @PurpleTree says is that this idea about cycles or reincarnation that ends when you achieve "enlightenment" maybe is just a mistake and reality doesn't works like that. @Ishanga why do you believe that? Maybe you achieve moksha and then are more cycles, or maybe reincarnation is a misunderstanding and never happened. Have those ideas without really knowing them seems a hindrance 

I never said I believe it, nor did I say I disbelieve it, I don't know what happens after Bodily Death, probably someone does, but when they share it it becomes a story and then ppl either believe or disbelieve the story, so I don't do that, I think we will find out for ourselves and I think they may be a way while still alive to know these things as well, but I am not there yet, but if someone asks I will share what I have researched, its up to them to take it further than that..

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Ishanga said:

I never said I believe it, nor did I say I disbelieve it, I don't know what happens after Bodily Death, probably someone does, but when they share it it becomes a story and then ppl either believe or disbelieve the story, so I don't do that, I think we will find out for ourselves and I think they may be a way while still alive to know these things as well, but I am not there yet, but if someone asks I will share what I have researched, its up to them to take it further than that..

Thanks for sharing what you studied, it's very interesting, but as you said, better don't believe, nor disbelieve.

For me it's an idea that have some contradictions