False Spiritual Leaders - Sadhguru and others...

[Leo Gura]

I think Sadhguru is doing good.

His programs are well-run from what I saw first hand.

The only issue I saw is that people in those programs do not think for themselves, they blindly follow. But that's just how most yoga is.

Edited yesterday at 02:40 PM by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The only issue I saw is that people in those programs do not think for themselves, they blindly follow

Not small issue. And for encouraging that he says that he is a super human with super powers that knows the 84 universes and can be buried without breathing for 1 year, and that he would beat Superman with one hand 

[The Crocodile]

There are yogis that have mastered kumbhaka enough that they can do apparently superhuman things.

Sadhguru can't, because he's too lazy.

 

Edited yesterday at 02:49 PM by The Crocodile

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

he is a super human

Well he is special. That's not a mistake.

[The Crocodile]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Well he is special. That's not a mistake.

His understanding of it seems pretty mental. There are planes above the mental he's not conscious of, and what he does have he hasn't integrated into his body and senses or the physical world, except to get attention from others.

And I feel like if he heard you call him special he would just give some platitude like, "ahaha, you think you're special too, my friend? We are all special in our own way we're all unique, but we are all just parts of the whole, we are not separate. we are like individual notes in a symphony, important for the overall sound but not the whole symphony. it is important to know we are not special and yet we are all special"

[Breakingthewall]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Well he is special. That's not a mistake.

Why? He's very smart and workholic, very focused, strong energy, clean mind. He's not the average guy, for sure, but that's different than be able to protect you from demons and make you enlightened with his sole presence. 

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

And I feel like if he heard you call him special he would just give some platitude like, "ahaha, you think you're special too, my friend? We are all special in our own way we're all unique, but we are all just parts of the whole, we are not separate. we are like individual notes in a symphony, important for the overall sound but not the whole symphony. it is important to know we are not special and yet we are all special

Exactly, and all people would say: ohhhhhh genius, of course he knows the 84 universes, no doubt 

[Javfly33]

50 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

There are yogis that have mastered kumbhaka enough that they can do apparently superhuman things.

Sadhguru can't, because he's too lazy.

 

Like who? Isn't kumbhaka just holding the Breath? 

[The Crocodile]

Just now, Javfly33 said:

Like who? Isn't kumbhaka just holding the Breath? 

The yogi will be able to retain his breath for as long as he wants. Through being able to retain the breath for as long as he wants, kumbhaka is sure to be perfected.

. . . the wise yogi should block Pingala with his right thumb, inhale through Ida, and hold his breath for as long as he can. Then he should exhale through Pingala---gently, not quickly, before inhaling through Pingala and holding his breath for as long as he can. He should exhale through Ida---gently, not quickly. Using this method of Yoga he should do twenty kumbhakas. Energized and free from all dualities, he should practice kumbhakas in this way four times every day at the following junctures: dawn, midday, sunset, and midnight. If he energetically practices thus every day for three months, then his nadis are sure to be purified forthwith. When the nadis of the yogi who has beheld the Ultimate Reality are purified, his sins are destroyed and the arambha state arises in him. Signs are seen in the yogi's body as a result of the purification of the nadis. For your benefit, I shall list all these physical signs in brief: he sits up straight, he is fragrant, he is beautiful, and he is a receptacle for the nectar of the gods. Arambha, ghata, parichaya, and then nishpatti: these stages of Yoga arise in all Yogas. I have described arambha. Now, for the mastery of breath, I shall describe the next, which results in the destruction of all suffering and sin. The yogi has a strong digestive fire, eats well, is happy, has a beautiful body, is big hearted, and has great willpower and strength. All these signs are sure to arise in the body of the yogi. Yogis should always eat when the wind has entered the sun. The best practitioners rest when the wind has entered the moon. The wise do not practise straight after eating or when hungry.

The practitioner should practice daily at the aforementioned times.

At the yogi's first attempts, sweat is produced on his body. When sweat is produced, the wise yogi should rub it in or the essential constituents of his body will be lost. In the second stage there is trembling, in the middle stage the practitioner is said to jump about like a frog, and from further practice a good practitioner can fly. When the yogi sitting Padmasana leaves the ground, know that to be mastery of air, the destroyer of the darkness of samsara. One should observe the rules for Yoga that have been mentioned until sleep, defecation, and urination diminish. The yogi who experiences the ultimate reality is not ill or depressed. Neither sweat, saliva, nor worms, nor imbalances of kapha, pitta, and vata arise in the body of the practitioner. Then the practitioner need not observe dietary restrictions. The yogi is not troubled if he eats very little or very much. Through the power of practice, the yogi obtains Bhuchari siddhi, whereby he can move like the animals which are hard to catch when hands are clapped. In Yoga, there are a lot of fearsome obstacles that are hard to avoid, despite which the yogi should keep on striving, even if he is at his last gasp. Thereupon the practitioner, sitting in private with his sense organs restrained, should intone the syllable om in order to get rid of obstacles. By means of pranayama, the wise practitioner is sure to destroy all the karmas he has previously acquired and those which have arisen in this life. The best yogi gets rid of the various good and bad deeds he has amassed in the past by means of sixteen pranayamas.

Only by gradual practice can the yogi hold his breath for three ghatikas [one ghatika is twenty-four minutes], by which he is sure to get the complete success that he desires. Mastery of speech, the ability to go where he wants, long-distance vision and hearing, subtle sight, the ability to enter another's body, the power of producing gold by smearing objects with one's feces and urine, and the capacity to make things invisible--these, and the ability to move through space, arise in great yogis. When the great ghata stage arises for the practitioner of pranayama, then there is nothing he cannot accomplish on the wheel of samsara. It is called ghata because prana and apana, nada and bindu, and jivatma and paramatma come together and unite. Only when the yogi is able to hold the breath for one yama [a yama is three hours] without tiring does pratyahara arise. It definitely does not happen otherwise. When through application of the practice he can hold his breath for a full yama, then the yogi should practice kumbhaka once a day. When the yogi's breath does not move for eight dandas, then that wise man has the power to stand on his thumb as if he were made of air. After this, with practice the yogi attains the stage of parichaya, when the breath leves the sun and the moon and stays still. Then the great yogi should practice the fivefold dharana, by means of which he masters earth and the other elements and has nothing to fear from any of them.

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Swami Vive Kananda was questioned concerning the truthfulness of the marvelous stories of the performance of wonderful feats of conjuring, levitation, suspended animation, and the like in India. Vive Kananda said:

"We do not believe in miracles at all but that apparently strange things may be accomplished under the operation of natural laws. There is a vast amount of literature in India on these subjects, and the people there have made a study of these things.

"Thought-reading and the foretelling of events are successfully practiced by the Hathayogis.

"As to levitation, I have never seen anyone overcome gravitation and rise by will into the air, but I have seen many who were trying to do so. They read books published on the subject and spend years trying to accomplish the feat. Some of them in their efforts nearly starve themselves and become so thin that if one presses his finger upon their stomachs he can actually feel the spine.

"Some of these Hathayogis live to a great age."

The subject of suspended animation was broached and the Hindu monk told the Commercial reporter that he himself had known a man who went into a sealed cave, which was then closed up with a trap door, and remained there for many years without food. There was a decided stir of interest among those who heard this assertion. Vive Kananda entertained not the slightest doubt of the genuineness of this case. He says that in the case of suspended animation, growth is for the time arrested. He says the case of the man in India who was buried with a crop of barley raised over his grave and who was finally taken out still alive is perfectly well authenticated. He thinks the studies which enabled persons to accomplish that feat were suggested by the hibernating animals.

Vive Kananda said that he had never seen the feat which some writers have claimed has been accomplished in India, of throwing a rope into the air and the thrower climbing up the rope and disappearing out of sight in the distant heights.

A lady present when the reporter was interviewing the monk said some one had asked her if he, Vive Kananda, could perform wonderful tricks, and if he had been buried alive as a part of his installation in the Brotherhood. The answer to both questions was a positive negative. "What have those things to do with religion?" he asked. "Do they make a man purer? The Satan of your Bible is powerful, but differs from God in not being pure."

Speaking of the sect of Hathayoga, Vive Kananda said there was one thing, whether a coincidence or not, connected with the initiation of their disciples, which was suggestive of the one passage in the life of Christ. They make their disciples live alone for just forty days.

 

"The mind is universal. Your mind, my mind, all these little minds, are fragments of that universal mind, little waves in the ocean; and on account of this continuity, we can convey our thoughts directly to one another."

 

Also Vivekananda's encounter with a telepath: https://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/unpublished/i_your_highness.htm Aurobindo's encounter with a wizard setting rocks to attack his house: https://auromaa.org/13-4-the-stone-throwing-incident/

In this video he electrocutes people and sets newspaper on fire, genuinely: 

Study with children being able to see with increasingly impaired physical view: 

 

[Javfly33]

@The Crocodile In isha they taught you should not rub your sweat off though!

Not that I sweat doing yoga anyways

[Jodistrict]

Sadhguru is a good business man.  The problem is that a real guru doesn’t have any interest in running a business that appeals to the masses.   But then judging Sadguru as a member of his peer class – Elon Musk is more worthy of worship.

[Breakingthewall]

something obviously disturbing about sadhguru is that according to him all indian traditions, without exception, have a real and legitimate basis. ayurvedic medicine, funeral rites, theories about reincarnation, etc. but only indian traditions. that is, bleeding the sick with leeches or going on a pilgrimage to mecca no, but doing certain indian rites according to him makes it easier for your relative to move on to a phase of existence after death, better, whatever, but only indian ones, no sacrificing children by ripping out their hearts to make it rain, no, eating mercury yes, bury alive one year yes, go to the paradise with the Virgins no. Baptism to avoid the hell no, but yoga to go to nirvana yes. Shit, they are better than the others! What about the untouchables? Could they go to nirvana?

Edit: he's against the castes and believe in the unity of india as a nation independent of religion. 

His project seems more political than mystic. It's legit, it's not intently bad trying to improve a nation . He's very difficult to understand because he's theoretically a mystic but over all a politician. Both could be together, why not?

 

Edited 21 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[PurpleTree]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I think Sadhguru is doing good.

His programs are well-run from what I saw first hand.

The only issue I saw is that people in those programs do not think for themselves, they blindly follow. But that's just how most yoga is.

Don’t you think it’s a bit weird how much he’s tied to indian nationality and Modi?

Imagine if Eckhart Tolle was very patriotic and tied to a guy like Trump.

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

Another unclear point about “the man” is his Buddhist view of the cycle of rebirth. So you are trapped in a cycle, for some reasons, and you must free yourself, stop the cycle. So what? There are no more cycles. Never? When is never? Next month, when you do mashamadi? And then eternity in non-experience? Who would be in non-experience? Nobody. So there would never have been cycles, so it is the same whether they end or not, so their sacred mission is bullshit. There will always be experience, because non-experience is “never”. Obviously.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Don’t you think it’s a bit weird how much he’s tied to indian nationality and Modi?

Imagine if Eckhart Tolle was very patriotic and tied to a guy like Trump.

He runs some pretty big retreat centers in India which involves politics. So it's not so weird.

Relative to a place as backwards as India I don't know how bad Modi is. You can't expect some Green lib running India.

Edited 19 hours ago by Leo Gura

[PurpleTree]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

Relative to a place as backwards as India I don't know how bad Modi is. You can't expect some Green lib running India.

Ok nice. But then if India is backwards. Why would an enlightened guru feel the need to be nationalistic about it. To me just nationalism doesn’t seem to mix that well with enlightenment. And if there was a higher and lower list of spiritual teachers this alone would put Sadhguru quite low on the list imo. 

 

(But there isn’t even really a worse or better anyway)

 

And if it’s just political, fine but i doubt it.

[Carl-Richard]

"Yogis can't be pro-vaccines" 😂

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

To me just nationalism doesn’t seem to mix that well with enlightenment.

My god it's like nobody knows about Wilber.

[The Crocodile]

14 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

My god it's like nobody knows about Wilber.

In The Religion of Tomorrow, which is very repetitive, like all his books, he talks about states vs. stages vs. structures.

You can have an enlightenment or awakening state at any stage.

At the higher stages the state becomes integrated as a structure.

It repeats, with the same repetitious pattern as his other works: states, stages, structures.

An enlightenment state is, for specific example, a zen master at SDi Stage Blue who supports Japanese imperialism and World War Two but who is awakened to some fundamental grounding or attention or groundless detachment from the sensations in his experience, while still having the Blue cognitive framework.

At a higher stage of SDi, say, Indigo, the awakening becomes perfectly and ineluctably wholly integrated with the higher cognitive structures, it is an awakened structure rather than simply an awakened state.

Edited 17 hours ago by The Crocodile

[Hojo]

Everytime there is a expose sadhguru thing it just turns out to be nothing. Your entire post did nothing but say sadhguru is a bad guy because he called his child a mistake. He was asleep then he had sex with a woman and a kid popped out then we woke up and saw oops we are trying to not do that, my mistake. He says its a mistake cause he contribute to the overpopulation of the planet. He says if we do not get this under control the planet will do it for us and it will not be nice. We are already seeing this happening right now.

The only other complaint is that he isnt speaking nicely? Why does guru have to sugarcoat everything into a fancy word. We are living in the realm of light and dark you need to use them both.

People follow him because he says shit that they have seen that no one else knows about.

yo·gi

noun

noun: yogi; plural noun: yogis

a person who is proficient in yoga.

What does it mean to live as someone proficient in yoga, how does one act like a practitioner of yoga?

Edited 14 hours ago by Hojo