Life is unbelievable, pure beauty and perfect harmony, complete Love

[Breakingthewall]

26 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

You could Say There is no universe, just energy.

Quantum physics already are telling us This, but This the experience of every Yogui, that there is no such a thing as physical Matter.

What people understand today as physical Matter are just concentrated patterns of energy.

What you call your body, your Life, is just a concentrated information that the energy is holding.

If that information is removed from you, you will just become absolute boundless

That interpretation is real, ok, then we could say that suffering is some energetic frequency, and reality itself an energetic configuration. Really physics say without any doubt that matter is a state of energy, you can transform matter in energy. And what is energy? Is it something? It's the vibration of the material of the reality. And what is the material of the reality? Leo would say: mind. Ok, and what is mind? Not admitted the answer: the same than a dream. Because a dream is something, is a vibration, an energetic configuration, like anything else but in different frequency than a stone for example, but the same matter. Then, what is this matter? This matter is you. There is not another definition or answer. This matter is what arises from the unlimited. The fact of absence of limits , the total vastness make inevitable that you arise. You are, encompassing what is impossible to think, the unlimited. Then you are unlimited, and that fact makes that energy exist and taking form. It's very difficult to perceive yourself naked, without any mental creation around. Don't underestimte how difficult it is because if not you are going to say: I get it, and would be just an idea. 

Then, what is the difference between real and illusion? There is any? What means: illusion? Means the opposite of real. Then, what's real? 

Edited December 27, 2024 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

Ones when you directly become conscious of entire universe is just an illusion, relaxation, being free etc is inevitable. 

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

 

Why it is an illusion? An illusion that someone has? Who? You? But you said that you are an illusion. Illusion means something that anyone is imagining. If there is not someone imagining, and only that thing that you call illusion exist, then it's not an illusion, it's the reality 

[theleelajoker]

48 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why it is an illusion? An illusion that someone has? Who? You? But you said that you are an illusion. Illusion means something that anyone is imagining. If there is not someone imagining, and only that thing that you call illusion exist, then it's not an illusion, it's the reality 

Alan Watts said sth I liked:

To the novice zen student, a mountain is just a mountain. To the intermediate student, a mountain is no longer a mountain. To the advanced student, it's just a mountain again.

Source: "Being in the way" series, one of the early episodes on spotify

Edited December 27, 2024 by theleelajoker

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Alan Watts said sth I liked:

To the novice zen student, a mountain is just a mountain. To the intermediate student, a mountain is no longer a mountain. To the advanced student, it's just a mountain again.

Yes, make a mental construction of the reality is useless, what we try is being open to what reality is, and any label like "illusion" or anything else is an hindrance. According Alan watts, what would be the goal of that zen student? 

[theleelajoker]

32 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, make a mental construction of the reality is useless, what we try is being open to what reality is, and any label like "illusion" or anything else is an hindrance. According Alan watts, what would be the goal of that zen student? 

Good question, I don't remember

I googled the quote to find a transcript. Could not find it yet, but it seems it's a quote from "Dōgen". I see if I find the Watt's talk and what he said afterwards...

Edit: I think it was this one: https://www.organism.earth/library/document/taoist-way

"And so, also, the meaning of this wonderful Zen saying. Tài (太)—that’s the character for the sun; tài—that is good day. Every day is  a good day. On condition, you see, that tài, tài is like niàn, niàn. They come one after another, and yet there’s only this one. You don’t link them.

This, as I intimated just a moment ago, seems to be an atomization of life. Things just do what they do. The flower goes poof, and people go this way, go that way, and so on, and that’s what’s happening. It has no meaning, it has no destination, it has no value. It’s just like that. And when you see that, you see it’s a (great relief. That’s all it is. But then, when you are firmly established in suchness—in that it’s just this moment—you can begin again to play with the connections. Only: you’ve seen through them. But now, you see, they don’t haunt you. Because you know that there isn’t any continuous “you” running on from moment to moment who originated at some time in the past and will die at some time in the future. All that’s disappeared. So you can have enormous fun anticipating the future, remembering the past, and playing all kinds of continuities. This is the meaning of that famous Zen saying about mountains are mountains" (...)

Edited December 28, 2024 by theleelajoker

[James123]

@theleelajoker @Breakingthewall isn't it beautiful even having a conversation?

[theleelajoker]

6 hours ago, James123 said:

@theleelajoker @Breakingthewall isn't it beautiful even having a conversation?

Yes, it is : )

[Javfly33]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 And what is energy? Is it something? It's the vibration of the material of the reality. And what is the material of the reality? Leo would say: mind. Ok, and what is mind? Not admitted the answer: the same than a dream. Because a dream is something, is a vibration, an energetic configuration, like anything else but in different frequency than a stone for example, but the same matter. Then, what is this matter? This matter is you. There is not another definition or answer. This matter is what arises from the unlimited. 

Then, what is the difference between real and illusion? There is any? What means: illusion? Means the opposite of real. Then, what's real? 

That the energy is You.

The physical reality paradigm creates the ego/duality, because it means

A) Physical Reality B) Me/Body/I

The God reality paradigm could also create it thought, because some people perceive it as:

A) God/Mind B) Me/Body/I

But my explanation was like: You could say there is only Universe and not you, or there is no universe and only You.

The point is not to get lost in explanations of course, but that the explanation or words points to an energetic understanding of non duality or unlimitation. 

If the explanation makes the reader limited or compressed, then that explanation or teaching was not properly written. So is not about saying correct things but that what you say creates a possibility beyond limitation in the reader. That´s my whole intention when I write in the forum, that whatever I write, creates a space beyond their mind and conclusions. 

10 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why it is an illusion? An illusion that someone has? Who? You? But you said that you are an illusion. Illusion means something that anyone is imagining. If there is not someone imagining, and only that thing that you call illusion exist, then it's not an illusion, it's the reality 

You could very well say The illusion is real, in that case.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Javfly33

[James123]

19 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Yes, it is : )

That's my all point.

[theleelajoker]

33 minutes ago, James123 said:

That's my all point.

Point taken

[gettoefl]

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why it is an illusion? An illusion that someone has? Who? You? But you said that you are an illusion. Illusion means something that anyone is imagining. If there is not someone imagining, and only that thing that you call illusion exist, then it's not an illusion, it's the reality 

Illusion points to fact that there is something more real than that. Here is drifting fog in the wind but it veils what is behind it, the unchanging reality. Just like in dream at night, when you wake up you say no matter how real the dream seemed that was an illusion compared to what is the reality now. Likewise now is an illusion compared to what one sees when inner vision replaces outward sight if you will. How to do this is called spiritual work.

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, gettoefl said:

Illusion points to fact that there is something more real than that. Here is drifting fog in the wind but it veils what is behind it, the unchanging reality. Just like in dream at night, when you wake up you say no matter how real the dream seemed that was an illusion compared to what is the reality now. Likewise now is an illusion compared to what one sees when inner vision replaces outward sight if you will. How to do this is called spiritual work.

Yes, So you could say that the mundane takes a backseat and the essence of reality takes center stage, but not that it is an illusion. Illusion is a confusing term that implies deception. Mundane reality is not false, it is more or less important depending on the importance you give it.

[James123]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why it is an illusion? An illusion that someone has? Who? You? But you said that you are an illusion. Illusion means something that anyone is imagining. If there is not someone imagining, and only that thing that you call illusion exist, then it's not an illusion, it's the reality 

İt is not even important to talk about, it is about to have fun, play and love. 

[Breakingthewall]

41 minutes ago, James123 said:

İt is not even important to talk about, it is about to have fun, play and love. 

It's important if you are interested in obtaining clarity to open yourself to the absolute. Most spirituality is very corrupt because it comes from a tradition of swindlers. In medieval Japan, China, India, people became monks to eat, and the clever one would say: I heard a crow cawing and I thought: what does a crow say when it doesn't caw? The sky and the earth. And at that moment enlightenment came. Then people worshipped him. It's like Sadhguru: I was on a hill and suddenly the sky and the earth were me, I cried for the first time in my life and enlightenment came. Please give me your money.

All this, these terms like illusion, nirvana, etc., come from corruption and lies. Is there any truth in spirituality? I don't know, maybe absolutely nothing, maybe something, but by default doubt is the best option 

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, So you could say that the mundane takes a backseat and the essence of reality takes center stage, but not that it is an illusion. Illusion is a confusing term that implies deception. Mundane reality is not false, it is more or less important depending on the importance you give it.

It's entrapment. Promises much, delivers junk. We choose this, we engineer this, we defend this. It's the ego's bill of rights. I will chase life liberty and the pursuit of happiness so help me god. I will try to become immortal and give holy god the proverbial finger. This is nothing but a second-rate am-dram and can never be more.

Edited December 28, 2024 by gettoefl

[James123]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's important if you are interested in obtaining clarity to open yourself to the absolute. Most spirituality is very corrupt because it comes from a tradition of swindlers. In medieval Japan, China, India, people became monks to eat, and the clever one would say: I heard a crow cawing and I thought: what does a crow say when it doesn't caw? The sky and the earth. And at that moment enlightenment came. Then people worshipped him. It's like Sadhguru: I was on a hill and suddenly the sky and the earth were me, I cried for the first time in my life and enlightenment came. Please give me your money.

All this, these terms like illusion, nirvana, etc., come from corruption and lies. Is there any truth in spirituality? I don't know, maybe absolutely nothing, maybe something, but by default doubt is the best option 

Being absolutely open to absolute is comes with completely letting go and surrendering. Surrender all these ideas and belief, just let go. 

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, James123 said:

Being absolutely open to absolute is comes with completely letting go and surrendering. Surrender all these ideas and belief, just let go. 

Then be lobotomized is the goal? If you don't reach clarity, you will be deceived, it's how it works . The deception is very deep

Edited December 28, 2024 by Breakingthewall

[James123]

36 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then be lobotomized is the goal? If you don't reach clarity, you will be deceived, it's how it works . The deception is very deep

How deep can be more than genuinely not knowing?

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

How deep can be more than genuinely not knowing?

You can be open to the absolute, that's all the stuff of enlightenment 

[James123]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You can be open to the absolute, that's all the stuff of enlightenment 

Only way to open absolute is genuinely not knowing, because it doesn't come from knowledge.