Life is unbelievable, pure beauty and perfect harmony, complete Love

[James123]

30 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Maybe if you are 14 years old and are prisoner in a jail in Nigeria and every night 10 guys fuck you by force life could be less nice, or if you are a old woman with an stroke alone in a charity hospital that no one visits, or millions of possibilities. Being human is very often suffering. If real suffering seems beautiful to you, then yes. If you and your whole family are impaled and the 3 days of agony watching them and yourself impaled seem beautiful to you, then everything is ok

These are all thoughts. How many times did you witness actual suffering instead of seeing on tv?

25 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, there were infinite other egos. 

You are completely deluded. 

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

These are all thoughts. How many times did you witness actual suffering instead of seeing on tv?

Well I saw some people dying in a way that I would call horrible, people have cancer and those shit , not only in tv, it's real, happens every moment 

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

You are completely deluded

sorry to say, but when I read you I only perceive arrogance and self deception 

Edited December 27, 2024 by Breakingthewall

[Asia P]

@James123 in theory theres no difference between what you describe, and a torture jail. It is hard to see beauty in some things, and easier in others. But in theory theres beauty into every possible state of consciousness.... Mmhmhmmhhhh

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well I saw some people dying in a way that I would call horrible, people have cancer and those shit , not only in tv, it's real, happens every moment 

İ had a open heart surgery and many other disease, when you directly realize that body is not you, you think much less. You see just the beauty. Your problem is imagination.

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

İ had a open heart surgery and many other disease, when you directly realize that body is not you, you think much less. You see just the beauty. Your problem is imagination.

Sure, then if I crucify your son in front you and you see him in agony for 3 days , you would see it beautiful because the body is not him

[James123]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, then if I crucify your son in front you and you see him in agony for 3 days , you would see it beautiful because the body is not him

See still imagination, which creates thinking therefore you suffer. İt is not actual. Actualize

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, James123 said:

Your problem is imagination.

Your problem is self deception, but I can't solve it, then good luck with it 

Just now, James123 said:

ee still imagination, which creates thinking therefore you suffer. İt is not actual. Actualize

Yeah sure. That's self help, aka self deception. Ask Buddha, life is suffering. Karma, suffering ,engine of evolution.

[James123]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Your problem is self deception, but I can't solve it, then good luck with it 

Yeah sure. That's self help, aka self deception. Ask Buddha, life is suffering. Karma, suffering ,engine of evolution.

Of course life is suffering but as a self, but without the self, it is beautiful. İt is already is, because now is the source. 

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

See still imagination, which creates thinking therefore you suffer. İt is not actual. Actualize

The correct answer being enlightened would be: if I see my son in agony I would see the perfect beauty in it and I would be happy for him because he's burning his karma to arrive to the absolute opening in the next stage. But being honest, would be that?

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

Of course life is suffering but as a self, but without the self, it is beautiful. İt is already is, because now is the source. 

Sure but I don't believe at all that you are there, nor me or anyone here, and almost no one single person in the world 

[James123]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

The correct answer being enlightened would be: if I see my son in agony I would see the perfect beauty in it and I would be happy for him because he's burning his karma to arrive to the absolute opening in the next stage. But being honest, would be that?

There is no son. 

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Sure but I don't believe at all that you are there, nor me or anyone here, and almost no one single person in the world 

İf there is a you, you could think. Whatever we say is illusion. Don't give a fuck man, fuck it. Surrender, have fun. 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, James123 said:

There is no son. 

İf there is a you, you could think. Whatever we say is illusion. Don't give a fuck man, fuck it. Surrender, have fun. 

Good luck with your deception. 

[theleelajoker]

45 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, then if I crucify your son in front you and you see him in agony for 3 days , you would see it beautiful because the body is not him

 

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There is no son. 

This whole "no self, nothing is real, nothing exists, all is illusion, no body etc " is nice to write on a chat forum. But its limited. It's a point on a spectrum and both common sense and my experience tells me that is not practical for real life events. (it's pretty annoying for me, too. 99% of times it does not add anything meaningful to conversations)

This approach can be useful, no doubt, to get a certain distance and relativity to events in life.  Like in mathematics, how they call it? Limes? You might approach this point where you just "live the illusion" - but emotional and physical pain just seem to me too "hardwired" as a human to constantly transcend it in extreme events.

 

[James123]

5 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

 

This whole "no self, nothing is real, nothing exists, all is illusion, no body etc " is nice to write on a chat forum. But its limited. It's a point on a spectrum and both common sense and my experience tells me that is not practical for real life events. (it's pretty annoying for me, too. 99% of times it does not add anything meaningful to conversations)

This approach can be useful, no doubt, to get a certain distance and relativity to events in life.  Like in mathematics, how they call it? Limes? You might approach this point where you just "live the illusion" - but emotional and physical pain just seem to me too "hardwired" as a human to constantly transcend it in extreme events.

 

Ones when you directly become conscious of entire universe is just an illusion, relaxation, being free etc is inevitable. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

Don't give a fuck man, fuck it.

This is what the person says to cope with their misery. This is not what somebody who realizes noself says. You're just using this stuff to cope. Nothing wrong with that.

[Princess Arabia]

18 minutes ago, James123 said:

Ones when you directly become conscious of entire universe is just an illusion,

Makes no sense. 

[Javfly33]

26 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Makes no sense. 

You could Say There is no universe, just energy.

Quantum physics already are telling us This, but This the experience of every Yogui, that there is no such a thing as physical Matter.

What people understand today as physical Matter are just concentrated patterns of energy.

What you call your body, your Life, is just a concentrated information that the energy is holding.

If that information is removed from you, you will just become absolute boundless

Edited December 27, 2024 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

26 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

You could Say There is no universe, just energy.

Quantum physics already are telling us This, but This the experience of every Yogui, that there is no such a thing as physical Matter.

What people understand today as physical Matter are just concentrated patterns of energy.

What you call your body, your Life, is just a concentrated information that the energy is holding.

If that information is removed from you, you will just become absolute boundless

That interpretation is real, ok, then we could say that suffering is some energetic frequency, and reality itself an energetic configuration. Really physics say without any doubt that matter is a state of energy, you can transform matter in energy. And what is energy? Is it something? It's the vibration of the material of the reality. And what is the material of the reality? Leo would say: mind. Ok, and what is mind? Not admitted the answer: the same than a dream. Because a dream is something, is a vibration, an energetic configuration, like anything else but in different frequency than a stone for example, but the same matter. Then, what is this matter? This matter is you. There is not another definition or answer. This matter is what arises from the unlimited. The fact of absence of limits , the total vastness make inevitable that you arise. You are, encompassing what is impossible to think, the unlimited. Then you are unlimited, and that fact makes that energy exist and taking form. It's very difficult to perceive yourself naked, without any mental creation around. Don't underestimte how difficult it is because if not you are going to say: I get it, and would be just an idea. 

Then, what is the difference between real and illusion? There is any? What means: illusion? Means the opposite of real. Then, what's real? 

Edited December 27, 2024 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

Ones when you directly become conscious of entire universe is just an illusion, relaxation, being free etc is inevitable. 

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

 

Why it is an illusion? An illusion that someone has? Who? You? But you said that you are an illusion. Illusion means something that anyone is imagining. If there is not someone imagining, and only that thing that you call illusion exist, then it's not an illusion, it's the reality 

[theleelajoker]

48 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why it is an illusion? An illusion that someone has? Who? You? But you said that you are an illusion. Illusion means something that anyone is imagining. If there is not someone imagining, and only that thing that you call illusion exist, then it's not an illusion, it's the reality 

Alan Watts said sth I liked:

To the novice zen student, a mountain is just a mountain. To the intermediate student, a mountain is no longer a mountain. To the advanced student, it's just a mountain again.

Source: "Being in the way" series, one of the early episodes on spotify

Edited December 27, 2024 by theleelajoker