Life is unbelievable, pure beauty and perfect harmony, complete Love

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, James123 said:

İf you consider to never be alive, maybe that's pure beauty. 

This is just an opinion brought about an Identified Ego defending a position...

[James123]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

This is just an opinion brought about an Identified Ego defending a position...

Before your birth, there was an any ego?

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

Before your birth, there was an any ego?

Your making a claim that life is pure, beautiful, perfect harmony and Love... on a certain level it is, but its not complete, as there is suffering right! Denying that there is suffering is not seeing the whole complete picture, we have to do that first, and accept it absolutely, then Life opens up and Love, Beauty, Harmony are within my Experience, this is what Bliss is.. From that then we go out and do action and try to fix all the suffering going on, so that yes existence is more perfect, loving and beautiful on all levels...

Before Birth there is an identity, its karmic based, karma is there in the being that is there before it finds a womb to be born into, so yes there is a sense of ego there before birth!

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Your making a claim that life is pure, beautiful, perfect harmony and Love...

Of course, it is mine or ego's opinion. Why should I choose suffering instead of having fun? lol. By the way, my life is not easy.

7 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Before Birth there is an identity,

How do you know? This just a personal opinion. 

8 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

its karmic based, karma is there in the being that is there before it finds a womb to be born into, so yes there is a sense of ego there before birth!

You are deluded in this case.

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

Of course, it is mine or ego's opinion. Why should I choose suffering instead of having fun? lol. By the way, my life is not easy.

How do you know? This just a personal opinion. 

You are deluded in this case.

dido!!

[Candle]

22 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Before Birth there is an identity, its karmic based, karma is there in the being that is there before it finds a womb to be born into, so yes there is a sense of ego there before birth!

This is so far from truth. How on earth did you validate or prove this theory for yourself? This is totally against the concept of "solipsism" which is 100% true as I am experiencing it since my birth. (Don't ask me how, see the solipsism video of Leo)

13 minutes ago, James123 said:

You are deluded in this case.

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Edited yesterday at 02:13 PM by Candle

[Ishanga]

29 minutes ago, Candle said:

This is so far from truth. How on earth did you validate or prove this theory for yourself? This is totally against the concept of "solipsism" which is 100% true as I am experiencing it since my birth. (Don't ask me how, see the solipsism video of Leo)

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This is so far from truth. How on earth did you validate or prove this theory for yourself? This is totally against the concept of "Inclusiveness and Oneness" which is 100% true! LoL

Please explain, why should I put any credibility to what You say, when others which much more credibility than most anyone here says otherwise?  I don't believe or disbelieve what these Credible ppl say, but it sure sounds more reasonable and logical than thinking/believing I am the only one in existence and everything else is a figment of my imagination!!

Edited yesterday at 02:43 PM by Ishanga

[Candle]

6 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

This is so far from truth. How on earth did you validate or prove this theory for yourself? This is totally against the concept of "Inclusiveness and Oneness" which is 100% true! LoL

Please explain, why should I put any credibility to what You say, when others which much more credibility than most anyone here says otherwise?  I don't believe or disbelieve what these Credible ppl say, but it sure sounds more reasonable and logical than thinking/believing I am the only one in existence and everything else is a figment of my imagination!!

So can you answer one thing in yes or no only? Is solipsism true? @Ishanga what do you think? 

I can't understand your grammar. Is English your second language? I haven't understood yet what you wanted to say..

Edited yesterday at 02:48 PM by Candle

[Ishanga]

50 minutes ago, Candle said:

So can you answer one thing in yes or no only? Is solipsism true? @Ishanga what do you think? 

I can't understand your grammar. Is English your second language? I haven't understood yet what you wanted to say..

No its not true. What is true is that Your Experience only happens within YOU, on a Experiential Level there is only YOU, Subjectivity is really all there is Experientially, but my senses and logic tell me there are others in this situation, that they are as real as I am, and their Experience is only within them, but there are other bodies and minds and differences in Experience, we are different from one another on the Surface level, deeper levels we are basically the same, come from the same source...

[Candle]

14 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

No its not true. What is true is that Your Experience only happens within YOU, on a Experiential Level there is only YOU, Subjectivity is really all there is Experientially, but my senses and logic tell me there are others in this situation, that they are as real as I am, and their Experience is only within them, but there are other bodies and minds and differences in Experience, we are different from one another on the Surface level, deeper levels we are basically the same, come from the same source...

So basically you are denying solipsism. Then it's okay. I don't have to say anything. You are free to have any concept you want.

Also I don't have advanced awakenings. So I don't want to argue with half knowledge. But I know solipsism is true, which even makes this post pointless. Who am I telling this if no one is there? I can feel it, I don't have words. 

Senses and logic can't mislead you? Study epistemology. 

Edited yesterday at 03:53 PM by Candle

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Candle said:

So basically you are denying solipsism. Then it's okay. I don't have to say anything. You are free to have any concept you want.

Also I don't have advanced awakenings. So I don't want to argue with half knowledge. But I know solipsism is true, which even makes this post pointless. Who am I telling this if no one is there? I can feel it, I don't have words. 

Yes it sort of defeats the belief that ppl have, when they come on forums to spread the "Solipsism" credo, but who are they talking to, imaginary ppl that have imaginary lives and your preaching to imaginary audience lol. Its narcissistic really!

This argument has come up many many times before on this forum, Davino shared a good definition of Solipsism that I can buy into, where they recognize individual forms, such as we are with individual body/mind/experience complexes but fundamentally we are One in essence.. That is the whole point of Spirituality, to get intouch with this non physical aspect of what we are, which is what everyone/everything is, its just some focus on one aspect and do not see the entire picture, at least intellectually..same with the non dualists here...

[M A J I]

Oh dear... What a mess Leo has created here. New people, same cycles.

[RickyFitts]

10 hours ago, Ishanga said:

dido!!

'Ditto'? Or were you calling him a dildo?

[James123]

7 hours ago, M A J I said:

Oh dear... What a mess Leo has created here. New people, same cycles.

İnevitable. 

[Breakingthewall]

20 hours ago, Candle said:

So basically you are denying solipsism. Then it's okay. I don't have to say anything. You are free to have any concept you want.

Also I don't have advanced awakenings. So I don't want to argue with half knowledge. But I know solipsism is true, which even makes this post pointless. Who am I telling this if no one is there? I can feel it, I don't have words. 

Senses and logic can't mislead you? Study epistemology. 

Then why are you talking with him? If solipsism is true he is not real , is only a product of your imagination. Discuss with him or with anyone else would be meaningless, even psychotic. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

20 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Davino shared a good definition of Solipsism that I can buy into, where they recognize individual forms, such as we are with individual body/mind/experience complexes but fundamentally we are One in essence..

That's not the solipsism, solipsism means that the people that you see and talk with are imaginary and haven't real experience, you as god are creating them for any reasons, over all because you as god feel alone in the eternity and bored in heaven, then you invented that video game that consists in being a Japanese office worker with depression infinite times. 

[M A J I]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's not the solipsism, solipsism means that the people that you see and talk with are imaginary and haven't real experience, you as god are creating them for any reasons, over all because you as god feel alone in the eternity and bored in heaven, then you invented that video game that consists in being a Japanese office worker with depression infinite times. 

infinite intelligence feels alone and bored?

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, M A J I said:

infinite intelligence feels alone and bored?

It's not what I say, it's what solipsism theory says . But anyway, I'm almost sure that Leo doesn't believe this anymore, was a kinda of mistake imo

Edited 4 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

I say solipsism is god being infinitely creative making a blockbuster and opting to make itself the only real character. Why? This is how to experience as much variety and artistry as possible. Everything else and everyone else is but an illusion for my own purposes. Everything acts according to their script except me. My mission is to make myself king of the world and have the best time possible. After all, nobody else matters so I will do what I please. Perhaps I also look after my family, my friends, and my fellow countrymen since if I want a decent life, this is likely necessary.

Solipsism is how people live. I am the most important person alive and I will take down anyone who stands in my way. You are not as real as me so no big deal. I am a spoiled entitled unregulated mini army patrolling my turf saying don't you mess with this one or else.

No ego can escape this mindset and life is lived blissfully unconscious.

To break free is first to see this and then begin the work.

Absolute solipsism is an improvement on the above but still not the full truth.

Edited 1 hour ago by gettoefl

[Javfly33]

On 26/12/2024 at 2:45 PM, James123 said:

Before your birth, there was an any ego?

No, Only Love.