The most horrible thing you can imagine

[Will1125]

The biggest suffering you can have or imagine, the most atroce thing,the most horrible thing you can ever imagine is absolutely perfect !

 

 

 

[Sugarcoat]

You actually don’t think this it just sounds good doesn’t it 

[numbersinarow]

Being omnipotently restrained and psychologically tortured eternally by someone of "something funny" 's ilk.

So much for amor fati. There is no human who could say yes to that and "love their fate" or whatever is required of you to not be a bitter decadent.

So much for everything being "absolutely perfect."

[numbersinarow]

On top, "absolutely perfect" is defined through human terms so your statement is meaningless unless you specifically show everyone who hears it that you are somehow speaking from God's perspective.

[Will1125]

God is infinite and everything God creates is perfect, whatever it is.

Horrible things are harder to accept than love and peace but it is part of existence too. Part of God, part of reality, part of infinity.

This subject is to encourage and open your mind and perspective about acceptance of what you are and what is.

[Hojo]

Even Jesus the persona of God, said What the fuck is wrong with you God ,when dying on the cross.

His last breathe was why would you do this to me?

Edited December 22, 2024 by Hojo

[Will1125]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

Even Jesus the persona of God, said What the fuck is wrong with you God ,when dying on the cross.

His last breathe was why would you do this to me?

Only God knows 😁

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Will1125 said:

The biggest suffering you can have or imagine, the most atroce thing,the most horrible thing you can ever imagine is absolutely perfect !

 

 

 

The Playing Ground is set up perfectly for all creatures and living things, but for us Humans we have choice as to how to Experience it, as perfect or not perfect, because we experience it as not perfect the situations in this perfect playing ground are not perfect as well, so for perfection to be in place all levels and layers of have to be perfect, starving kids, war, torture, suffering everywhere is not perfect situations, that is why solipsism is narcissistic, only a narcissist would believe that life is perfect when this stuff is going on...

[gettoefl]

This is true.

However you should still enforce boundaries and purchase insurance to stop the fan being hit with shit.

You are not to allow yourself to be in evil's crosshairs for evil to unleash.

To do so is to cooperate with that very evil.

Get out of dodge before that hurricane hits.

Everything is perfect but don't take no shit from no one.

Only by keeping oneself strong in mind and body can you be the light you came here to be.

Mostly for yourself but others may catch some drift too.

Edited December 23, 2024 by gettoefl

[Breakingthewall]

Sure, being impaled along with my entire family because Suleiman the Magnificent didn't like me requires all of infinity to be perfectly coordinated in its infinite dimensions, with every subatomic particle in its exact place, creating endless butterfly effects that reverberate into eternity. But personally, I'd prefer it happen to you.

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, being impaled along with my entire family because Suleiman the Magnificent didn't like me requires all of infinity to be perfectly coordinated in its infinite dimensions, with every subatomic particle in its exact place, creating endless butterfly effects that reverberate into eternity. But personally, I'd prefer it happen to you.

Speak kindly but always carry a big stick.

- me coining some Churchill aphorisms

[Will1125]

Minds are opening there 😁

[Golem]

On 12/22/2024 at 8:51 PM, Will1125 said:

The biggest suffering you can have or imagine, the most atroce thing,the most horrible thing you can ever imagine is absolutely perfect !

 

 

 

From an absolute perspective—yeah, sure. From my ego's perspective—hell no.

And as a limited ego, there's no requirement for me to see beauty and perfection in something that's perfect only from the perspective of the Absolute (because everything is it, and IT’s perfect, duh). This would be an unrealistic expectation, and I sure hope you’re not putting it on yourselves—that would be extremely unwise.

[Xonas Pitfall]

For the sake of avoiding permanent IP bans, I’ll outline the general patterns of the most horrifying and unimaginable forms of suffering:

1. Unimaginable Levels of Physical Pain

The sheer intensity of physical torment can be beyond comprehension. This involves inflicting extreme pain through torture, dismemberment, or grotesque acts of cruelty. It’s about prolonging the agony as much as possible. The victim is kept alive through whatever means necessary, ensuring that they experience every moment of their suffering in full, unrelenting detail. There’s no escape, no momentary respite from the pain. They are forced to remain fully aware of every excruciating sensation.

2. Crushing Emotional Devastation

Emotional pain can be far more destructive than physical suffering. Stripping away everything that defines a person’s purpose. Take away their most cherished possessions, their accomplishments, their sense of security, and isolate them from the support systems they’ve spent their life building. Cut off from family, friends, and all emotional anchors, they are left in a void of loneliness. Their very identity is torn apart, and all that remains is an overwhelming sense of despair. Their financial security is obliterated, their reputation shattered, and any hope of rebuilding is crushed. Add to that the horror of being physically maimed, losing limbs, and mental faculties, and becoming unable to care for themselves.

3. The Cruelty of False Hope

Giving them glimmers of hope, only to rip it away again. A person, barely clinging to life, being shown kindness or love -- only to be plunged back into unimaginable despair. This constant cycle of “edging” hope keeps them teetering on the brink of madness. The cruelty lies in this: they are kept alive not just to suffer, but to believe in the possibility of relief, only for that belief to be crushed again and again.

4. The Slow Descent Into Madness

Slipping into a state where everything you thought you knew becomes unreliable. Your senses betray you; memories fade or become distorted, and you can no longer trust the world around you. The victim begins to lose their grasp on reality itself. They question everything they know, and their mind becomes a prison, a place where they no longer know what’s real. Inflicting conditions similar to dementia or schizophrenia, where they slowly witness the erosion of their grasp on reality and their sense of self. Gaslighting them into questioning everything they perceive, showing them how easily their reality can be manipulated and changed. A good example of this would be scenarios described in bad-trip horror stories - visions of ghosts, jesters, or voices mocking them, telling them contradictory things about reality, and toying with their perception of the world. The human mind is fundamentally terrified of losing sanity, making this one of the cruelest forms of torment.

5. Watching Loved Ones Suffer

Subjecting the victim to watch as the same levels of physical, emotional, and mental pain are inflicted on their dearest loved ones. Hearing the screams and cries of family members, friends, or anyone else they hold close while being completely powerless to intervene. Watching the hope and lives of those they love get destroyed. Some people value their loved ones more than themselves, so this could be even more torturous for them than personal suffering.

6. Forcing the Victim to Perpetuate the Evil

Forcing the victim, after losing their sanity completely, to commit the same horrors inflicted upon them onto their closest loved ones. Making them responsible for the pain and suffering of those they hold dear, turning them into the source of the evil they once endured. This adds another layer of torment, as they’re trapped in an unthinkable moral and emotional agony.

Core Elements of Torture:

1. Inflicting extreme levels of physical, emotional, and spiritual pain that break the victim on every level.
2. Manipulating hope, keeping the victim on the edge of possibility while never allowing them to truly escape their suffering.
3. Forcing the victim to watch and endure the suffering of their loved ones, with no ability to intervene or stop the pain.
4. The erosion of sanity and self-trust, leading the victim to question everything about themselves and the world around them.
5. Mockery, shame, and gaslighting, which strips the victim of their dignity and leaves them powerless and broken.
6. Forcing the victim to become the perpetrator of their own suffering and the suffering of those they love.

7. Extreme, visceral visions of disgust and horror—an all-encompassing, immersive experience. Fully aware, every sense heightened, drowning in gruesome smells that suffocate the air, nauseating textures that crawl under the skin. Forced to consume, forced to feel, as each organ is twisted and distorted from the inside. The more vivid, slow, and painfully real the experience becomes, the deeper the agony.

8. A permanent sense of entrapment, forever trapped in this torment, unable to escape. The feeling of being completely powerless, inferior to the pain that is relentlessly inflicted. There is no control, no escape, no sense of security, only a deep, suffocating awareness of helplessness. Each moment is a reminder that the suffering will never cease, and the victim remains utterly at the mercy of the relentless, overpowering force of their pain.

TLDR; Exploit all the things the ego deeply fears and directly threaten its survival.

• Helplessness and Lack of Control: The fear of being unable to shape or influence one's environment or circumstances, feeling at the mercy of external forces.
• Being Useless, Meaningless, and Unimportant: The ego fears being irrelevant, unnoticed, and lacking purpose or value in the grand scheme of things. It dreads being insignificant.
• Death: The most fundamental fear, the ego is terrified of its mortality and the cessation of its existence. It strives to preserve itself at all costs.
• Pain: Both physical and emotional pain are deeply feared by the ego, as they threaten its sense of well-being and stability.
• Loss of Love: The ego thrives on validation and affection from others. The fear of being unloved, rejected, or abandoned can be overwhelming.
• Loss of Safety: The ego seeks security in its environment, whether that be physical, emotional, or financial. The fear of being exposed to danger or uncertainty destabilizes it.
• Loss of Identity: The ego is tied to a constructed sense of self. The fear of losing this identity, whether through mental collapse, identity crises, or external forces, is a profound threat to its survival.
• Failure and Inadequacy: The ego fears not living up to its own expectations or those of others. It dreads failure and the shame associated with it.
• Isolation and Loneliness: The fear of being alone, abandoned, or disconnected from others is a deep anxiety for the ego, as it thrives on social validation and connection.
• Being Exposed or Vulnerable: The ego fears having its weaknesses, flaws, or insecurities exposed. Vulnerability is seen as a threat to its survival, as it craves control over its image.
• Time: The fear of time slipping away, the inability to control one's future or legacy, or the looming uncertainty of aging and decay.
• Rejection and Criticism: The ego fears being judged harshly, criticized, or rejected by others, which threatens its sense of self-worth and esteem.
• Disintegration of the Self: The terror of feeling fragmented, disconnected, or out of control of one's thoughts, emotions, or behaviors, leading to a loss of coherence and unity in the self.

Remember, ultimately, God doesn't care about anything we label as "gruesome" since it has no "ego-self" to deeply attach to. So, the only way to amplify a gruesome, horrible experience is to directly attack and amplify the one that actually perceives pain and horror as something to fear - which is our lovely friend Ego, of course! 😊

Edited December 23, 2024 by Xonas Pitfall

[M A J I]

https://icedrive.net/s/PxAyCa5kSGaT4224Yw7i63B1hBhB

Follow that link, go to book 3 (space of love) then page 53 and read until page 68.

[Will1125]

On 23/12/2024 at 10:46 PM, Golem said:

From an absolute perspective—yeah, sure. From my ego's perspective—hell no.

And as a limited ego, there's no requirement for me to see beauty and perfection in something that's perfect only from the perspective of the Absolute (because everything is it, and IT’s perfect, duh). This would be an unrealistic expectation, and I sure hope you’re not putting it on yourselves—that would be extremely unwise.

Well if you completely identify with your ego, then yes.

I surely understand and I respect what you're saying, especially the difficulty of perceiving perfection in moments as horrific as suffering, war, or atrocities. It's a very human reaction, and I agree that from the ego's perspective, it's not easy to realise this view of perfection in situations where injustice and pain are so evident. 

This doesn't mean denying suffering but when we recognize that everything, even the worst things possible, are part of the perfection, it opens a deeper perspective on those events.

Instead of judging or reacting with anger, the realization that everything is part of the illusion of duality can free us from excessive judgment and help us act with more compassion and wisdom, without being caught in negative emotions.

It's not about ignoring the pain, but rather about seeing beyond it, accepting that these events are also expressions of infinity, even though it can be difficult to fully grasp it.

This perspective isn't a denial of injustice or suffering, but an invitation to see the perfection of everything, to understand that even the darkest aspects are part of the process.

It helps us find inner peace and be wiser.

[Ishanga]

Its much more than "Ego", the life we are is much more complex than that, You could have no identification with an Ego, and still feel incredible pain and suffering, since You just have a Body that feels and a Brain that interprets what is happening with this Body, nothing to do with Ego when it comes to physical pain and torture and suffering of this sort.. The other end of it is self made pain and suffering which is for sure Ego based...

This self made pain/suffering is what is the biggest ailment in ppl's lives today, ppl today can suffer pretty well anything, being single or being married, having kids or no kids, education or no education, having Money or having no Money, just name the situation and ppl have suffered it, but they have realized their Potential and had Bliss via it as well, the choice of how to deal with it is up to each of Us!

Edited December 25, 2024 by Ishanga

[gettoefl]

5 minutes ago, Candle said:

@Xonas Pitfall should I take revenge from my enemy, if he did extremely wrong and made my life hell? Yes or no. Why? What would you do in such a situation. Don't throw spiritual concepts. 

Which city/state you belong to? 

My take here is, however bad another treats you, that is YOUR karma coming to pay you back for all the bad stuff you committed even in previous lives. How you react determines whether this karma stays or goes. If you are no longer triggered, these bad behaviours from others will cease. Your enemies will become your brothers and you will awaken to truth. The truth is that anything that happens I am doing to myself through reinforcing of karma. Forgive everyone for they know not what they are doing.

[Xonas Pitfall]

@Candle Hmm...

Revenge is always a tricky decision. Ideally, if you can "let it go," that would be great, but often it's not a simple one-to-one answer. The myth that "Just forget it dude, revenge never feels good and will never get you what you seek" isn't entirely true. Some people can truly make your life a miserable hell, and for some, the only way to regain a sense of sanity is to attain justice.

The idea that "Oh, Karma will come to them all one day!" is also not necessarily accurate either; many evil people escape the consequences of their actions and live blissfully ignorant lives until they die. While they might face repercussions on a spiritual level, that’s often not useful in the context of your question.

I would suggest evaluating how you feel about the situation. Monitor your emotional state over time: Does it consume your thoughts throughout the day? Do you feel like nothing you do will ever satisfy your need for justice? If so, then pursuing some form of revenge might be necessary for your mental well-being. Some people need to "burn through" the karma and see justice served before they can move on to higher pursuits. (See Leo's episode on Burning through Karma)

On the other hand, if you feel you can let go of this desire for revenge more easily, or if you can find motivation and focus elsewhere, it may be best to do so. This is a complex situation, and it's difficult to give a definitive answer without understanding your inner thoughts, the severity of the situation, and your personal biases. Feel free to PM me in case you want to discuss it in more detail.

It's worth mentioning that many people say "Revenge wasn't worth it." simply because they didn't execute it properly. If you choose to go down that path, make sure you clearly define what type of release or emotion you want to achieve, and ensure that you get it. Don’t cut corners; otherwise, you may end up feeling even more bitter about the situation. If you want to pursue legal action, for instance, hire a competent lawyer and develop a solid plan to fuck them over. If your goal is to damage their reputation, ensure it's something that will genuinely sting them for a long time.

I don’t consider myself a vengeful person, as I find it exhausting. However, I understand that some individuals have faced terrible situations where seeking justice was the only option that felt satisfying. 

Ultimately, much of life revolves around the skill of choosing when to indulge or transcend one's urges. Sometimes, we can do so, and other times, it may be necessary to act on those urges. Both approaches are valid and should not be viewed as superior to one another. It'd be equivalent to trying to jump to Coral in Spiral Dynamics while you haven't even gotten Blue's lessons of discipline and you can't pay your rent.

Oh... and - 

Which state am I from? Well, I need to satisfy my urge for infinite mystery and privacy on here, sadly... teehee, hugs.

[kavaris]

The most horrible thing, atleast a second most horrible, is a pretty much default, definite, as the sequence of life requires the experience of knowing what the worst outcomes are, and having you face them. As you come into life not knowing that you didnt have to face them. Isnt that screwed up? perfection isnt a word that really means anything in the realm of life, cause to live is to face these little vaccuums of separation, being sucked into situations and scenarios that go against your more spirited, innovative nature, which often can be paradoxical, or unexpected... or its flat out the worst thing (or maybe somewhere second to worst seeing as we keep those worst outcomes very close sometimes) nevertheless it doesnt stop the second-to-worst things from happening, especially when of a certain mindset; Because even thinking in terms of spirituality and consciousness isnt quite enough, seeing as it is just a sparkly, shiny, pokemon-like idea with geometric patterns and other things layered on top. It more to it then this lofty sortve, psychedelic-in-nature thing and unfortunately its not realized until its been really shoved in your direction, some sortve very large astroid that awakes the foundation, and ignites the ground. Prior to that, its a bit like a wave of unknowning, avoiding the fire. And then one day, unless ignorant to all possible signs, you become the fire, which isnt necessarily bad or good, its just not the same boat you were once in, sailing the seas and going by the wind and waves. Thats actually the biggest mistake thats made, and perfection is more like a "greater than" or "less than" situation, something that we likely wont be able to carry with us, beyond that notion of perfection we were allotted at birth, as we held on to a very fragile thing thats now slowly deteriorating, but we can hope to one day achieve a same or similar perfection (which would be strange to phrase as the worst thing but hey, whatever floats ur boat i guess)