Is Sadhguru the Most ACCURATE Source of Universe Knowledge Today? | Scientist | Adiyo

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

He says he needs external things, without mercury and without a copper bracelet he would die in 40 days. 

Anyway it's obvious that your mental state is internal, but some external substances in specific moments could help to release energetic blockages 

Umm where did he say this? After he consecrated the Dylanalinga temple, they say he aged like 20+yrs, and his energy body was almost destroyed, he almost died (was supposed to but chose to use it as an experiment to see if he/they could rebuild it), but with help from others he was able to rebuild it after a few years, since then other than the recent episode with his brain by which he seems to have fully recovered, he's not dependent on anything like that, he uses it, the bracelet and such tools to help him stay within the body and moderate his energies from what I understand but I'm sure he could do this without those things. You have to understand he is focused on other things, not just his own wellbeing and state of existence, so he's probably dealing with allot of outer karmic things, and such esoteric stuff that we don't understand it totally!!

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Ishanga said:

. I post replies when You get this way because its a counter point

It's ok, I just analyze and come to conclusions, which may later change. if Sadhguru makes categorical judgments about LSD or marihuana without nuances and without deep knowledge, as is evident when listening to him, for me he loses credibility. Anyway, it's just an opinion.

[Breakingthewall]

@Ishanga it's not that I have anything against sadhguru, it's that when I listen him talking about any topic I feel that he's inventing, he doesn't understand LSD and psychedelic, and he talk pretending he does. I'm not saying that psychedelic are good, just that he doesn't understand what they are. He's talking in a superficial level, maybe he thinks he understands but I think he's pretending , maybe he's trying to educate the people as they are kids and he's a conservative father, but that's not a guru

Edited January 1 by Breakingthewall

[Ishanga]

21 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Ishanga it's not that I have anything against sadhguru, it's that when I listen him talking about any topic I feel that he's inventing, he doesn't understand LSD and psychedelic, and he talk pretending he does. I'm not saying that psychedelic are good, just that he doesn't understand what they are. He's talking in a superficial level, maybe he thinks he understands but I think he's pretending , maybe he's trying to educate the people as they are kids and he's a conservative father, but that's not a guru

Ok, here is something that just popped up on my Utube feed, he's talking about Motivation, and how one does not need it! 

I think his basic message is this, of course this is based off my perception and understanding, and its probably much more than this but just being simplistic here, but the message is if You are Totally Alive to what it means to be Human You don't need anything external to Realize it. Yes we need food, and O2 and that sort of stuff to maintain the body, but we are talking about Spirituality here, realizing the non physical nature of what You are, so whether it is motivation or psychedelics, he doesn't believe it in the end will do You any good, other than living at the Survival level of Awareness which is a tragedy considering we are Human Beings and not any other life form...

 

[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

but the message is if You are Totally Alive to what it means to be Human You don't need anything external to Realize it.

But in my experience it's not real, then he's wrong. So he could be wrong in many other things. He talks and what he says is the absolute truth, and it isn't. Drugs can be absolutely useful.  

When you start to perceive your energy pattern and your resistance, you can perceive how certain drugs act on it and use them. Let's see, those yogis bury themselves alive and that's fine and if I take 5meo is it bad? Who says so? God? I don't think so. I know that 5meo helps in your liberation process, and LSD and marihuana. I know that 100% so sadhguru is 100% wrong but he talks as if he were God.

Edited January 1 by Breakingthewall

[Ishanga]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

But in my experience it's not real, then he's wrong. So he could be wrong in many other things. He talks and what he says is the absolute truth, and it isn't. Drugs can be absolutely useful.  

When you start to perceive your energy pattern and your resistance, you can perceive how certain drugs act on it and use them. Let's see, those yougis bury themselves alive and that's fine and if I take 5meo is it bad? Who says so? God? I don't think so. I know that 5meo helps in your liberation process, and LSD and marihuana. I know that 100% so sadhguru is 100% wrong but he talks as if he were God.

Then for sure You are being influenced by your own bias and cannot see it.  Plus this thing about if he doesn't agree with You 100% then he is 100% wrong then what can I say, this is for sure Your own bias completely controlling your ability to see outside your box which in the end is destructive...From what You have said in the past your a regular user of LSD so there You go.. Maybe You can handle it, most I bet cannot, so what he says in general terms is good advice imo.

Personally I think at the right time and place psychedelics can be useful, but I have allot of discipline and commitment and focus, I can probably do it and not have to use it regularly like many are and get allot out of it while still using Yoga as my primary method of Realization, most do not have it this way, so I do think he is talking to the general public in most of these videos, but I've told You before that this is circus, that doesn't mean he is spreading lies, it means it is not the whole picture of what he is or what the meaning of his work is about, so if You go off of the Utube stuff and such then Your missing it completely!

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

Plus this thing about if he doesn't agree with You 100% then he is 100% wrong t

It's not a relative thing, it's absolute. It's like if I'm a famous guru that speaks in YouTube and I say: yoga wont help you in liberation, it's an absolute truth, yoga is bad. And I'm wrong and I never did yoga even once, then what guru am I? One who speaks without knowing? 

[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

destructive...From what You have said in the past your a regular user of LSD so there You go.. Maybe You can handle it, most I bet cannot, so what he says in general terms is good advice imo.

I used over all 5meo in the past, I could say a lot, I never use anymore now. I use very low dose of LSD , sometimes DMT vaped and sometimes weed, maybe twice a week, only 2 puffs exactly and this is more powerful than 5 meo, It absolutely opens my mind and my soul to the unlimited. It's not a doubt, a possibility, it's a reality, and without a lot of 5 meo would be absolutely impossible in this life, then sadhguru is wrong, it's an absolute truth. But he speaks as he totally know that psychedelic are bad as an absolute  

I also do meditation, more or less 2 hours if I can almost every day, never alcohol, movies, books, only this forum as entertainment 😅Meditation is quite clean, open, but not totally, not the same than some moments with bit weed, it's not something that can be a deception, it's absolutely real. 2 years ago my mind was noise, dirty of suffering, now it's almost clean, at least more clean without any comparison, then sadhguru can say anything , but drugs can be a great tool. I only say that maybe he should be bit more humble about what he says or speak about things that he knows 

Edited January 1 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

@Ishanga what I mean is why you can't say: sadhguru is great but of course he can be wrong in his opinion, he's just human after all. No, you have a component of Messianic faith in him just because he and many others say it. It's not logic 

[The Crocodile]

Why do people like fellating this man? What he's offering isn't that good.

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

Why do people like fellating this man? What he's offering isn't that good.

The point is not why people loves him, is if he is right in what he says or he is wrong. His words could point the truth or point confusion. For me if he says: psychedelic are always useless, and they are useful sometimes, in this case he's pointing to confusion . Then maybe he's pointing confusion in some other things, maybe in everything? Maybe not. It's interesting to know because he's the reference in spirituality in the world, he declared himself as the messenger of the truth in the world and millions believe 

Edited January 1 by Breakingthewall

[The Crocodile]

23 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The point is not why people loves him, is if he is right in what he says or he is wrong. His words could point the truth or point confusion. For me if he says: psychedelic are always useless, and they are useful sometimes, in this case he's pointing to confusion . Then maybe he's pointing confusion in some other things, maybe in everything? Maybe not. It's interesting to know because he's the reference in spirituality in the world, he declared himself as the messenger of the truth in the world and millions believe 

He is the McDonald's equivalent of spirituality.

[Javfly33]

10 hours ago, The Crocodile said:

Why do people like fellating this man? What he's offering isn't that good.

He is offering Shamavhi mahamudra Kriya, which is something which is not easy to find.

Consecrated at the etheric body, the Shamavhi process is an alive device, a device which is alive and available within Infinity itself.

There are lot of kriyas and yoga techniques all over the internet, but most of them (as far as Im aware of) lack the aliveness of it. 

This is important for transformation, because Mind, body and energies die with death, so a process that is Alive at the non physical dimension, becomes important to create long lasting changes in the practitioner.

Something that if you tap into, will not die with death, a certain seed that if you receive It and verify is existence, goes and exist beyond the death of the physical, mental and energy bodies. 

Edited January 2 by Javfly33

[Ishanga]

10 hours ago, The Crocodile said:

He is the McDonald's equivalent of spirituality.

Because he has a huge following?? That is the whole point to have a huge following... I don't think You understand what is being offered...

List anyone with more qualification and why they are more qualified pls and thanks!

[Ishanga]

10 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Ishanga what I mean is why you can't say: sadhguru is great but of course he can be wrong in his opinion, he's just human after all. No, you have a component of Messianic faith in him just because he and many others say it. It's not logic 

Yes he's human but living at a much higher potential than most, so that is what is being shared.  Right/Wrong is relative isn't? You use Lsd and like it and think it is effective, he does not as he can do what You do naturally, so he does not think it is effective, so that is the difference..If You can do something naturally that a pill will give you why not do it naturally???

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

You use Lsd and like it and think it is effective, he does not as he can do what You do naturally,

I don't mean that, don't twist what I said, In his talk he explains a situation between Ram Dass and the Indian guru with LSD, he says a lot of mistakes, superficial knowledge, he mentions the university where Timothy Leary promoted LSD and mentions disastrous results, he mentions lethal doses, he says a lot of things without deep knowledge, as it seems he wants to instill in people that LSD is bad, so some little lies are okay. He does that with everything. That's exactly what politicians do, not gurus, so Sadhguru sometimes tells little lies, half-truths, but it's okay because it's for the greater good! Politicians think the same. What I think is: how deep are his little lies? 

[Javfly33]

37 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't mean that, don't twist what I said, In his talk he explains a situation between Ram Dass and the Indian guru with LSD, he says a lot of mistakes, superficial knowledge, he mentions the university where Timothy Leary promoted LSD and mentions disastrous results, he mentions lethal doses, he says a lot of things without deep knowledge, as it seems he wants to instill in people that LSD is bad, so some little lies are okay. He does that with everything. That's exactly what politicians do, not gurus, so Sadhguru sometimes tells little lies, half-truths, but it's okay because it's for the greater good! Politicians think the same. What I think is: how deep are his little lies? 

I understand you. His main work is to teach/guide people how to become "masters" of their own inner experience, so in regards to substances he has to cherripick and choose a perspective that goes against the use of substances.

I dont think he is consciously lying, he himself is quite opposed to using substances because he has said such things in the past, like Being proud of never having taken anything and within feeling "a thousand fold ayahuasca".

So of course his narrative Will always go that way. He himself says his own people have told him that studies about mental healthy breakthroughs with psychedelics are happening but he opposed to that data saying "regarding this stuff i dont care what people tell me, I know what Will happen when It comes to this stuff "

Edited January 2 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Javfly33 said:

regarding this stuff i dont care what people tell me, I know what Will happen"

Yes supposedly he's omniscient, but when he talks about LSD he committed many mistakes. Anyway, thinking about him...Before becoming a guru, he was a business man in industrial chicken farming. You have to be a bit ruthless to be in that business. I'm not saying it's bad, it's necessary, but someone with an innate spiritual inclination doesn't feel right doing that. Could you imagine Ramana maharshi in that business? Or Anandamayi Ma? But it the eyes of sadhguru I see that for him that's nothing, I'm sure that he was hard with his workers, a real business man. Then now he is a omniscient saint with super powers. Strange 

[Javfly33]

38 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes supposedly he's omniscient, but when he talks about LSD he committed many mistakes. Anyway, thinking about him...Before becoming a guru, he was a business man in industrial chicken farming. You have to be a bit ruthless to be in that business. I'm not saying it's bad, it's necessary, but someone with an innate spiritual inclination doesn't feel right doing that. Could you imagine Ramana maharshi in that business? Or Anandamayi Ma? But it the eyes of sadhguru I see that for him that's nothing, I'm sure that he was hard with his workers, a real business man. Then now he is a omniscient saint with super powers. Strange 

Whats wrong with having a farm? Is not like today mass farming which indeed is terrible. The Guy built his own farm so It shouldnt have been very Big, just enough to maintain Yourself since he didnt want to go to university.

We need to take into account back in those days in India there werent so many options to make money, if india right now is Still developing imagine 40 years ago

Also we need to take into account the farm was before his famous enlightment day. He never was Spirituality inclined in the sense of reading scriptures, just a keen observation to everything.

He has confesses his views have changed because he has multiple content where he advices against eating animal food or calling trees "a wood" because is a disrespect for the tree. 

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[The Crocodile]

 

4 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

He is offering Shamavhi mahamudra Kriya, which is something which is not easy to find.

Consecrated at the etheric body, the Shamavhi process is an alive device, a device which is alive and available within Infinity itself.

There are lot of kriyas and yoga techniques all over the internet, but most of them (as far as Im aware of) lack the aliveness of it. 

This is important for transformation, because Mind, body and energies die with death, so a process that is Alive at the non physical dimension, becomes important to create long lasting changes in the practitioner.

Something that if you tap into, will not die with death, a certain seed that if you receive It and verify is existence, goes and exist beyond the death of the physical, mental and energy bodies. 

So people actually think they are gonna be immortal just by sucking Sadhguru?