Is Sadhguru the Most ACCURATE Source of Universe Knowledge Today? | Scientist | Adiyo

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You don't need that for real trauma, It could be enough if your mother is Beyonce for example, human relationship, attachment, need of acceptance, are real thing, maybe worse than being in gaza. 

This video address this very topic...this is part of the Inner Engineering course, with the online version, you get access to Q&A video responses that are inline with the topic matter, there are 7 1hr or so video, covering topics via video on the online IE course, Responsibility/Response Ability is one such topic he addressses...

 

Edited Monday at 02:08 PM by Ishanga

[Breakingthewall]

33 minutes ago, M A J I said:

I don't need research to see through people. I am fully awake.

You can't know what sadhguru is, it's a real enigma, if you judge too fast you will be wrong, don't overestimate your perception 

[M A J I]

46 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You can't know what sadhguru is, it's a real enigma, if you judge too fast you will be wrong, don't overestimate your perception 

It is not a judgement, it is a statement. I know because I was there once in my life, I see the younger less attuned and aligned self in him, I know his every move and tricks, I see his responses and thought-patterns before they happen, very predictable. See when you evolve past a point you master the others who are at a lower level of the game, its the simplest way I can put it. You know and see them better than they know and see themselves, its called evolution of consciousness. Very few people on these forums are going to understand this because very few have tapped into these levels of consciousness and self-mastery. This is what mastery is, and while there are many gurus out there today, few are masters. I would say Osho was the only one I liked that had a very high self-mastery. He was at a near-perfected level. Slightly off Buddha and Christ but close enough.

Sadguru did some yoga and meditation, read a bunch of books, had some spiritual experiences, gained a little more wisdom than the average joe, now he is confusing millions of people around the world. If you do not see that then you simply have yet to mature spiritually.

 

Edited Monday at 02:54 PM by M A J I

[Javfly33]

10 minutes ago, M A J I said:

It is not a judgement, it is a statement. I know because I was there once in my life, I see the younger less attuned and aligned self in him, I know his every move and tricks, I see his responses and thought-patterns before they happen, very predictable. See when you evolve past a point you master the others who are at a lower level of the game, its the simplest way I can put it. You know and see them better than they know and see themselves, its called evolution of consciousness. Very few people on these forums are going to understand this because very few have tapped into these levels of consciousness and self-mastery. This is what mastery is, and while there are many gurus out there today, few are masters. I would say Osho was the only one I liked that had a very high self-mastery. He was at a near-perfected level. Slightly off Buddha and Christ but close enough.

 

The problem is the yoga that he transmits works. So if someone gives you a Lamborghini for a very low price he might be a stealer and a bad person, but you can not avoid to think, this fucking lambo revs like a beast, this is so cool, and It was this Guy that gave me the Lambo for such a  low price. So what is the deal with this Guy? Why he did that? Maybe is just a human at a certain level of development like everyone of us, and has moments of decepction and trickiness to try to Up the business ladder, make the organization as Big as It can.

But of course that the Lambo pop flames through the exhaust pipes does not mean he is enlightened. He might just have been very smart to choose tools that work, and with the energy work around this work that creates, It makes the fuel for the Lamborghini to rev the engine.

Because is the problem I see with this Yoga stuff. There are lot of things on the internet there is no fire in them. Sadhguru sets on fire the tools that gives so you Will have a supercar for the rest of your Life. The question is this process of ignition through invented narratives, is he just playing with us or there is something real going on in terms of energy intervention.

 

Edited Monday at 02:51 PM by Javfly33

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, M A J I said:

It is not a judgement, it is a statement. I know because I was there once in my life, I see the younger less attuned and aligned self in him, I know his every move and tricks, I see his responses and thought-patterns before they happen, very predictable. See when you evolve past a point you master the others who are at a lower level of the game, its the simplest way I can put it. You know and see them better than they know and see themselves, its called evolution of consciousness. Very few people on these forums are going to understand this because very few have tapped into these levels of consciousness and self-mastery. This is what mastery is, and while there are many gurus out there today, few are masters. I would say Osho was the only one I liked that had a very high self-mastery. He was at a near-perfected level. Slightly off Buddha and Christ but close enough.

 

So you’re saying you’re on Osho level and he was almost on Buddha and Jesus level? 

[M A J I]

@PurpleTree Even the term level is not the correct way to put it but that's what i chose for now to put it in the simplest terms. You could say on the wavelength or spectrum... Yes I would say, Osho was closer to Buddha nature than this showman and almost every other modern guru.

I would even say Gangaji is far more enlightened than this spiritual agent. Heaven's I know a whole tribe of people who are far more spiritually mature than this showman above. Sadhguru has the gift of avoiding direct questions by giving philosophical answers that can't be disputed. He is the perfect CIA trained agent to disregard spirituality and mislead people further from the truth.

An real yogi would never promote getting the jab, that goes against the very essence and nature of yoga.

Anyways, carrying on. I said all that I needed to say here.

Edited Monday at 05:33 PM by M A J I

[Ishanga]

23 minutes ago, M A J I said:

It is not a judgement, it is a statement. I know because I was there once in my life, I see the younger less attuned and aligned self in him, I know his every move and tricks, I see his responses and thought-patterns before they happen, very predictable. See when you evolve past a point you master the others who are at a lower level of the game, its the simplest way I can put it. You know and see them better than they know and see themselves, its called evolution of consciousness. Very few people on these forums are going to understand this because very few have tapped into these levels of consciousness and self-mastery. This is what mastery is, and while there are many gurus out there today, few are masters. I would say Osho was the only one I liked that had a very high self-mastery. He was at a near-perfected level. Slightly off Buddha and Christ but close enough.

Sadguru did some yoga and meditation, read a bunch of books, had some spiritual experiences, gained a little more wisdom than the average joe, now he is confusing millions of people around the world. If you do not see that then you simply have yet to mature spiritually.

 

If I were to rank them it would look like this and with reasons why, not just because I supposedly "Like" someone...

1) Sadhguru -a) he has more follower/disciples/devotees/those interested in him than any one else most ever, b) he is alive today and relevant today, c) consecrates and develops/creates temples from scratch, d) interacts with a variety of ppl, from scientist to policticans/business leaders, to everyday ppl, you name it, e) his methods are super effective, once You try them they work f) he's logically correct!

2) Buddha - created a path that has enlightened many many ppl and has improved/changed/transformed many ppl, anyone that was alive that many years ago and is talked about and known today did something extraordinary...

3) Jesus - similar to Buddha, had a huge impact on the world, but is gone now in physical form and many things that are now said to be him or what he did may or may not be true, humans have distorted so many things over time in regards to Jesus or Christianity so who knows, but Luv they Neighbour is good advice!!

4) Osho - Intellectually realized, created a character of controversy/drama to popularize himself so he can get more followers and thus change the world we live in, very logically correct, not sure about the methods he shared, there never really talked about but he was very wise and knowing!! 

Edited Monday at 03:03 PM by Ishanga

[Lyubov]

4 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

He says some crazy things, so is inevitably appealing, he says if you sit with him for just a moment this is your last cycle of existence, in other words, you will never ever experience such a thing as what you lived in this life (being human I guess) in the WHOLE ETERNITY. Like..."this" as you know it ends for ever for you. 

He also says if you are initiated in intense sadhana and you are bramachari with just a clap of their hands he can make you leave the body instantly for good. 

I can do all this stuff too, nothing special 
 

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

Now Your Projecting... In lots of his talks he asks the crowd of ppl "How often has someone poked a knife in Your body?", he's trying emphasise here that in those situations where there is a "real" reason to suffer, he says its okay, like ppl in warzones, tortured and losing a close family loved one like children, Ive heard him say this many times, but this is not what most ppl are suffering, they are suffering their success, their kids, their educations, they suffering and are traumatized by most anything, and that is where the problem is, they are reacting to life, not responding to life.. You need to do more research!! 

if he has helped you or brought you joy then that's good. He makes some great youtube videos. 

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

I can do all this stuff too, nothing special 
 

if he has helped you or brought you joy then that's good. He makes some great youtube videos. 

he didn't bring me joy, joy is always within me, he only showed me a method that wipes away the crap so the Joy is naturally experienced/expressed...

If You think what he is is all about Utube videos, then You don't know what he is...

and no  You cannot do that stuff to, if You could you would and  you haven't..

Edited Monday at 03:07 PM by Ishanga

[Lyubov]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

he didn't bring me joy, joy is always within me, he only showed me a method that wipes away the crap so the Joy is naturally experienced/expressed...

If You think what he is is all about Utube videos, then You don't know what he is...

and no  You cannot do that stuff to, if You could you would and  you haven't..

believe what you wish 

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I stopped that video when he said: trauma is a excuse to don't be better, when something bad happen you have two choices, being wounded or becoming wise. This is silly, stupid. Real trauma gets into your psyche and becomes part of your being. Real abuse, real fear, is buried under many layers of psychological self-defense to remain functional and not collapse. Saying what he say sounds great, but it's stupid. Release the real trauma is extremely difficult, you have to go to the roots of your psyche, sadhguru don't know what he's talking about. 

I tried to listen all but when he started with the identification...omg. then, you are perfect in this moment, why are you suffering? Because you identify with your body etc. Typical self help that never works. It's much more complicated, the structure of the psyche that is build over genetic basis, the fear to rejection, the trauma....

Actually you are promoting his very well I would say. What he says accords with my lived experience. But I also agree with you, that this does very deep below the surface and it is near impossible for most to access. You would be a good teacher. I think you have a lot of advanced stuff to communicate and you do that well. You should consider formally writing stuff or starting a podcast / channel.

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Actually you are promoting his very well I would say. What he says accords with my lived experience. But I also agree with you, that this does very deep below the surface and it is near impossible for most to access. You would be a good teacher. I think you have a lot of advanced stuff to communicate and you do that well. You should consider formally writing stuff or starting a podcast / channel.

This is the whole point of Sadhguru exposing this stuff, like Response Ability, most never even think of it this way, when I first watched this I was totally blown away by it, I never imagined or thought about this like he stated it, so that was transformative for me in a big way, and I had lots of self help research under my belt, read lots of self help books and audios and such, but this idea that I can respond to life rather than react, and via responding life becomes more unlimited if I respond to everything intensely, that lit it up for me...

Breakingthewall is too volatile to have a blog or books, he has some good insights for sure, is a realist, but too obsessed with it intellectualy, he's on here daily for hours, not healthy at all...

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

This video address this very topic...this is part of the Inner Engineering course, with the online version, you get access to Q&A video responses that are inline with the topic matter, there are 7 1hr or so video, covering topics via video on the online IE course, Responsibility/Response Ability is one such topic he addressses...

 

In my opinion this talk is totally cheap self help. Take the responsibility, use the trauma, blablah, I could go to the book shop and take any book of self help and would be deeper. He talks just obvious easy logical talk. 👎. To the crocodiles. 

[Lyubov]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

You’re like a religious person trying to spread the gospel. 

At least they aren't like Osho's, trying to kill people. There will always be people who need a guru to look up to. 

[gettoefl]

14 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

This is the whole point of Sadhguru exposing this stuff, like Response Ability, most never even think of it this way, when I first watched this I was totally blown away by it, I never imagined or thought about this like he stated it, so that was transformative for me in a big way, and I had lots of self help research under my belt, read lots of self help books and audios and such, but this idea that I can respond to life rather than react, and via responding life becomes more unlimited if I respond to everything intensely, that lit it up for me...

Breakingthewall is too volatile to have a blog or books, he has some good insights for sure, is a realist, but too obsessed with it intellectualy, he's on here daily for hours, not healthy at all...

I'd say he is far and away the most advanced mind here and if you don't see that, that speaks a lot about your understanding. He speaks from direct experience and explains simply and elegantly. Never needs to quote another source. He gets emotional but that makes him the more authentic since people are too dim to see the pointers and emotion is a way to convey personal things even more powerfully. He writes a lot but is not on the forum that much if you look at his timeline. That makes his contribution all the more impressive.

Edited Monday at 03:36 PM by gettoefl

[Ishanga]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

In my opinion this talk is totally cheap self help. Take the responsibility, use the trauma, blablah, I could go to the book shop and take any book of self help and would be deeper. He talks just obvious easy logical talk. 👎. To the crocodiles. 

I read all the self help books, I never read anything like this before I heard him say it like he does,,so not sure what Your talking about...

Edited Monday at 03:36 PM by Ishanga

[gettoefl]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

I read all the self help books, I never read anything like this before I heard him say it like he does,,so not sure what Your talking about...

In fairness Osho talked at length about response ability 40 years ago.

[Ishanga]

5 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

I'd say he is far and away the most advanced mind here and if you don't see that, that speaks a lot about your understanding. He speaks from direct experience and explains simply and elegantly. Never needs to quote another source. He gets emotional but that makes him the more authentic since people are too dim to see the pointers and emotion is a way to convey personal things even more powerfully.

totally disagree, plus I forgot to mention doesn't he use drugs on a regular basis to have advanced experiences? Why do that if Your so advanced mentally as You say,,No no, he's had some awakenings some how, like to write about it and share, for me he has no more credibility than any other, compared to ppl like Sadhguru who's high naturally, no comparison...

Lol I luv how ppl say "If You don't see it the way I see it then your below me." lol... so egoic, and you think You know things???

Edited Monday at 03:39 PM by Ishanga

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I read all the self help books, I never read anything like this before I heard him say it like he does,,so not sure what Your talking about...

What did he say? That you should take advantage of the shit to improve in life instead to be blocked. That's obvious, anyone would try that, but they can't. It's not so simple, it's a simplistic vision 

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What did he say? That you should take advantage of the shit to improve in life instead to be blocked. That's obvious, anyone would try that, but they can't. It's not so simple, it's a simplistic vision 

but no body does,, I do see now some mentioning it, but the video I posted is from early 2000's no one back then was talking this way, and no one back in the early days like 80's or 90's was, at least in my research and I researched allot...not saying others haven't but it was not very popular...

also simple is good, it gets things going, ,What he is saying, as well with Acceptance, and the fact that this moment is inevitable, this is the foundation, the willingness is created, the ability to see the mechanics of life is there, so that the kriya is more powerful and works more effectively for the person using it...

Edited Monday at 03:42 PM by Ishanga