Anti-muslim "grinch" kills 5 and injures 200 at Christmas market in Germany 😱

[Basman]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/20/europe/germany-christmas-market-car-intl-latam/index.html

50 year old doctor Taleb al-Abdulmoshen of Saudi-Arabian decent has been named as the suspect. A now deleted twitter feed shows anti-muslim sentiment and critique of islamification of Germany. Exact motive has not been released by the police yet according to the article.

Why couldn't he done this during halloween instead? why does he have to ruin christmas like that 😢.

[Buck Edwards]

Tragic. 

[gambler]

Very tragic.

And biting the hand that feeds you--it's so goofy and cringe. These attacks remind me of an entitled and spoiled little child.

Apparently you have Elon's X deactivating this guy's account, and then reinstating it after deleting problematic tweets including ones that ties him with various far-right groups, as a supporter of Elon Musk, Zionism, etc., in order to distance this guy from them. I'm guessing the posts where he implies he's going to carry out this attack and why is also deleted. So now Elon is smearing mainstream legacy media as creating fake news in regards to him being anti-muslim, but his X digital footprint still survives and people have been exposing all of his posts. As well as past journalism about him like an interview he did with the BBC, where they promote his anti-Islam activism. Disappointing level of deception being employed by Musk. 

Edited Monday at 03:50 AM by gambler

[Buck Edwards]

This is what AFD does. 

 

[Buck Edwards]

1 hour ago, gambler said:

Very tragic.

And biting the hand that feeds you--it's so goofy and cringe. These attacks remind me of an entitled and spoiled little child.

Apparently you have Elon's X deactivating this guy's account, and then reinstating it after deleting problematic tweets including ones that ties him with various far-right groups, as a supporter of Elon Musk, Zionism, etc., in order to distance this guy from them. I'm guessing the posts where he implies he's going to carry out this attack and why is also deleted. So now Elon is smearing mainstream legacy media as creating fake news in regards to him being anti-muslim, but his X digital footprint still survives and people have been exposing all of his posts. As well as past journalism about him like an interview he did with the BBC, where they promote his anti-Islam activism. Disappointing level of deception being employed by Musk. 

Haha Musk as usual. 

[Nilsi]

Many are accusing him of being a Saudi double agent and a jihadist engaging in taqiyya (disguise/deception in the service of Islam).

https://x.com/MaralSalmassi/status/1870413236996092217

 

 

[Basman]

22 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Many are accusing him of being a Saudi double agent and a jihadist engaging in taqiyya (disguise/deception in the service of Islam).

https://x.com/MaralSalmassi/status/1870413236996092217

 

 

What would he get out of it though? 200 wounded later, now what?

[Basman]

Upon reflection, it is kind of gross of me to make light of such a tragic situation.

Edited Monday at 09:24 AM by Basman

[gambler]

2 hours ago, Nilsi said:

Many are accusing him of being a Saudi double agent and a jihadist engaging in taqiyya (disguise/deception in the service of Islam).

https://x.com/MaralSalmassi/status/1870413236996092217

 

 

Taqqiya doesn’t mean deception in the service of Islam. Taqqiya is the permissibility of concealing your religion in the face of a threat. If ISIS for instance comes to a Shia Muslim, is it permissible for him to lie and say he is Sunni in order to survive? That’s taqqiya. Perverting this concept to create a perspective on it that doesn’t exist only hurts your credibility. 
 

“according to S. Jonathon O'Donnell, some theories posit "the idea that Muslims have a religious duty to deceive non-Muslims if it furthers the cause" of Islam. He argues the "claim rests on a misreading of the concept of taqiyya, by which believers may conceal their faith if under threat of violence. This misreading is widely deployed in Islamophobic writings."[69] ”

“Stefan Wimmer argues that taqiyya is not a tool to deceive non-Muslims and spread Islam, but instead a defensive mechanism to save one's life when it is in great danger (giving the example of the Reconquista).[79]”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

 

Furthermore this theory doesn’t hold up given that he fled the country of Saudi while allegedly wanted for rape and other serious crimes. Why would he be a double agent for a country that asked Germany to send him back? As well as the fact that he dedicated himself to creating a platform to get ex Muslims safely out of Saudi Arabia, successfully helping girls flee their families. It’s unlikely a muslim terrorist would do that to Muslim families in order to kill 4 people. They would just kill 4 people. 

Edited Monday at 11:42 AM by gambler

[Ishanga]

4 hours ago, Basman said:

Upon reflection, it is kind of gross of me to make light of such a tragic situation.

What's worse is that there are ppl out there, and on this forum that will discount this event, since nothing is happening, no one exists and no one is doing anything, a total denial of any meaning or individual experience and consequences, this is much sadder and disempowering than posting about an event and maybe or maybe not making light of it... I didn't get the impression that You were making light of it, the ones I mentioned above, they are making light of it via a belief system that is absolutely incorrect..!

[Nilsi]

5 hours ago, gambler said:

Taqqiya doesn’t mean deception in the service of Islam. Taqqiya is the permissibility of concealing your religion in the face of a threat. If ISIS for instance comes to a Shia Muslim, is it permissible for him to lie and say he is Sunni in order to survive? That’s taqqiya. Perverting this concept to create a perspective on it that doesn’t exist only hurts your credibility. 
 

“according to S. Jonathon O'Donnell, some theories posit "the idea that Muslims have a religious duty to deceive non-Muslims if it furthers the cause" of Islam. He argues the "claim rests on a misreading of the concept of taqiyya, by which believers may conceal their faith if under threat of violence. This misreading is widely deployed in Islamophobic writings."[69] ”

“Stefan Wimmer argues that taqiyya is not a tool to deceive non-Muslims and spread Islam, but instead a defensive mechanism to save one's life when it is in great danger (giving the example of the Reconquista).[79]”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

 

Furthermore this theory doesn’t hold up given that he fled the country of Saudi while allegedly wanted for rape and other serious crimes. Why would he be a double agent for a country that asked Germany to send him back? As well as the fact that he dedicated himself to creating a platform to get ex Muslims safely out of Saudi Arabia, successfully helping girls flee their families. It’s unlikely a muslim terrorist would do that to Muslim families in order to kill 4 people. They would just kill 4 people. 

Radical Islamists aren’t exactly known for avoiding perverted interpretations of the Quran, are they?

I’m just wondering why someone who’s anti-Islamist and anti-Saudi would target German civilians during a Christian festivity.

That said, I’m not taking a stance here - I don’t have any intel beyond what’s being discussed on both sides.

In any case, it’s clear this was a deeply disturbed individual who had radicalized himself to an extreme degree.

[Raze]

25 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Radical Islamists aren’t exactly known for avoiding perverted interpretations of the Quran, are they?

I’m just wondering why someone who’s anti-Islamist and anti-Saudi would target German civilians during a Christian festivity.

That said, I’m not taking a stance here - I don’t have any intel beyond what’s being discussed on both sides.

In any case, it’s clear this was a deeply disturbed individual who had radicalized himself to an extreme degree.

He also hated Germans for asylum reasons and believed Germans were islamizing Europe.

I don’t understand what the argument is, he pretended to be anti Islam for years so when he attacks people don’t blame Muslims? But the whole point of radical Islamist violence is to do it in the name of the religion as a message. 

Taqiya is a Shia concept, most Muslims are sunni.

Edited Monday at 04:27 PM by Raze

[Nivsch]

If he attacks christmas market it is less likely the motives are islamophobic. More likely he is anti West, anti Christianity or anti anything that isn't Islam.

Edited yesterday at 02:57 PM by Nivsch

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

If he attacks christmas market it is less likely the motives are islamophobic. More likely he is anti West, anti Christianity or anti anything that isn't Islam.

True true.

Christmas markets are cute.

This guy killed civilians and children.

[gengar]

Elon musk deleted the perpetrators twitter account, and later reinstated it but with all the pro-zionist and pro-afd tweets removed.

We're entering a new era of foolery imo

Edited yesterday at 06:13 PM by gengar

[gengar]

https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1870807385243025659?t=71kDGXfGVja5NX5uTFF5Kw&s=19

[Basman]

5 hours ago, gengar said:

Elon musk deleted the perpetrators twitter account, and later reinstated it but with all the pro-zionist and pro-afd tweets removed.

We're entering a new era of foolery imo

Its gross how blatant he is with censorship when that is why he proposed to buy Twitter in the first place. 

Censorship for thee but not for me.