Thought Experiment: Crazy People

[Butters]

Thought experiment: what if a crazy person on the street is in fact one of the few actual miracle workers / magicians? They don't mind being perceived as crazy, since their power is legitimate. Knowing their power is legitimate, and being the only one who can see it, they might as well act crazy, cause why the hell not? 

Besides, if you can legitimately heal people, you probably won't take credit for it anyway cause a) you'll be perceived as crazy (ironically) and b) who cares? 

 

Edited Sunday at 01:01 PM by Butters

[M A J I]

Some of the brightest people I know is exactly this. To be crazy is to be sane.

Its the paradox. What is is what is not.

[Leo Gura]

Or, they are just crazy.

Don't romanticize mental illness.

Edited 11 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Buck Edwards]

Some people who are mentally ill don't harm anyone. But some others are downright dangerous and can hurt people both emotionally and physically. You have to watch out for them and avoid them in your life. I have had my fair share with crazy people and they created a lot of drama in my life, a ton of misery. I wouldn't take them back in my life. They would start fights over nothing. Cause a lot of stress. Nobody got time to deal with it. They play mind games and have deep behavioral issues and challenges. You can't be around such people because it gets draining entertaining their BS for too long. You have to step back and let them reflect on their own toxicity. Let them be alone and see it for themselves that nobody wants their energy around. It took me months to heal from the resulting trauma. Now I do better by straight up cutting out such people and I feel a lot of peace ever since. 

 

[Marcel]

  Interesting recontextualization. Id like to say, sometimes appearances aren’t deceiving and are actually exactly what they appear to be. 

Yet. Could something like this conceivably happen somewhere. who knows. There’s always the odd chance. 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Marcel

[Starlight321]

I actually know a person who I thought of as crazy and who later became very good friend.

This is how it in the real world plays out.

When I first met him at a stage green cultural platform where people can meet have some parties and workshops. I first saw him during a presentation of sustainability seal he was sitting a few feet away at the doors on the ground giggling and smoking one joint after another staring from time to time with deep gaze around not really interested in the presentation and just chilling even laughing at us.

I knew something was off and I felt a bit threatened because he seemed really spontaneous and I couldn't fit him in a box. After the presentation where there was some chill time with nice music, I sat  next to him with another acquainted person who was trying to pick up a girl. So I and this guy started talking and he was just talking about food robbing energy and other giving energy and dead meat making bad thoughts but he talked it in a way that it sounded way more crazy and people around us were just looking strangely at us from time to time. 

Then  I smoked a few puffs of his joint and got a really deep awakening and I realized that this person is almost always present and we talked of such deep matters and I was able to translate his strange phrasing into spiritual mumbojumbo in order to understand it. We talked about such deep things and it became clear to me that he raised me to his level and he must have been born this way and never studied spirituality in a scholarly manner so he uses his own freakish phrasing. 

Since then we have hung out from time to time and partied a lot and he is way more andvanced than almost all the meditators I've known and I've seen a lot he lives a simple but high quality life style and is one oft the most realistically ethical persons I know of without the virtual signaling like other spiritual persons and he is soo freaking present that when he dances and moves he makes so many impossible micromovements and so quick that people standing around looking how tf it is possible.

So this is obvious if you have the consciousness to distinguish between a high conscious person not feeling bound by social standards behaving sometimes like a fool and a mentally ill person. The take away is that he isn't bound to behaving like a fool or a normal person. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Starlight321

[Butters]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Or, they are just crazy.

Don't romanticize mental illness.

I understand this, it was just a thought experiment. Where exactly is the line between realizing you are God and thinking your ego (and only yours) is God? How do you know this isn't crossed? What if you do this work and you actually have superiority complex, and where do you fly off the hinge and how to prevent it? 

Or can mental illness not be created by doing this work, assuming no pre-existing conditions were present? If that's the case then my spiritual ego can be classified as healthy ego. I'd sure like to keep my healthy ego. 

Ram Das talked about his brother who was in a mental asylum. He said the difference between him and his brother was that they both thought they were God, only Ram Das realized everybody is God and that's the difference. 

In another thread you said "Insanity is where it's at". 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Butters

[Leo Gura]

26 minutes ago, Butters said:

Where exactly is the line between realizing you are God and thinking your ego (and only yours) is God?

That line is called God consciousness.

The ego is God, but not all of God or the highest form of God.

Quote

How do you know this isn't crossed?

You can only know when you cross it.

But even if you cross it you can still have delusions about it. You can be as deluded about God as you want, with or without consciousness of God.

Quote

What if you do this work and you actually have superiority complex, and where do you fly off the hinge and how to prevent it? 

Well, you gotta understand what ego is and notice when you are acting from ego.

Superiority is surely a sign of ego.

Quote

Or can mental illness not be created by doing this work

Awakening has nothing to do with mental illness. These are different things.

Quote

Ram Das talked about his brother who was in a mental asylum. He said the difference between him and his brother was that they both thought they were God, only Ram Das realized everybody is God and that's the difference. 

There's a lot more difference than that.

But mental illness and consciousness of God are not mutually exclusive. You can have both. Just as you can be a vegetarian and murderer.

Quote

In another thread you said "Insanity is where it's at".

Insanity is a very advanced thing that even mentally ill people don't usually reach.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Butters]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The ego is God, but not all of God or the highest form of God.

Quote

Hmm, I just can't get around the idea that "I have awoken to my true nature" or "I finally understand" has a narcissistic feel to it. But that's probably because I haven't truly awoken, I get it. 

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Butters said:

I just can't get around the idea that "I have awoken to my true nature" or "I finally understand" has a narcissistic feel to it.

That's just social human nonsense.

You are God. Ego is irrelevant here.

Of course God can understand and know itself.

Just don't limit God to the human self-image or mind. God is way bigger than that.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura