Women: Help Me Understand Before vs After Sex

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, The Renaissance Man said:

@Princess Arabia So what I say and how I behave has no influence on how well, or how fast things go? I think it's up to me because it's very up to me. If it wasn't, then the whole discussion about getting better at socializing is useless, because "it's about what they decide". And that's clearly not the case.

I don't mean that. From the comment from you that I quoted, it seems like it's totally up to you for those circumstances to happen....going all the way (which takes two) and don't wait for 2mths (she still has to say yes or no). None of all this matters, it's who you're interacting with and the type of woman. Trying to turn these things into a an experiment or science project leads to surprises and disappointment most of the time. Just do it, just go all in, be spontaneous and see what happens with no she's going to do this or she's going to do that. Life is spontaneous, be with it.

[The Renaissance Man]

13 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

it seems like it's totally up to you for those circumstances to happen....

It's alright, I don't think that by the way. My goal isn't even sex per se, but being in a healthy loving relationship. But I get the boundary between being manipulative vs  improving your social skills is very thin.

[Emerald]

On 12/21/2024 at 4:41 PM, The Renaissance Man said:

To the women of the forum. Especially in the context of pickup.

Do you feel it's true for you that before sex happens, the man is completely unimportant and irrelevant to you, even if you had a great time on a date?

I'm talking about a great impression without sex vs a great impression with sex.

So, even after a great date or first interaction, but still no sex between you, your likelihood of flaking is much higher. Do you feel this is true?

This question stems from what I remember Leo saying in the how to get laid series on YT: before sex, you're nobody to the girl, regardless of how the previous interactions went.

If a woman sleeps with a guy, it's common that that means that she already really likes him. And sex only strengthens the depth of those feelings because there's deeper bonding.

But if there are no feelings there before sex, then sex won't change that.