Women: Help Me Understand Before vs After Sex

[The Renaissance Man]

To the women of the forum. Especially in the context of pickup.

Do you feel it's true for you that before sex happens, the man is completely unimportant and irrelevant to you, even if you had a great time on a date?

I'm talking about a great impression without sex vs a great impression with sex.

So, even after a great date or first interaction, but still no sex between you, your likelihood of flaking is much higher. Do you feel this is true?

This question stems from what I remember Leo saying in the how to get laid series on YT: before sex, you're nobody to the girl, regardless of how the previous interactions went.

[Raze]

Your importance to her is based on value and investment, having sex is one way that creates more investment, but investment can be created without it. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, The Renaissance Man said:

This question stems from what I remember Leo saying in the how to get laid series on YT: before sex, you're nobody to the girl, regardless of how the previous interactions went.

Must think pretty low of women if you think we look to have sex with men we think are nobody's. I remember him saying something like that too, but I paid it no mind. Now, I see how it had an impact enough to be asked about. I don't know why you guys are taking advice from Leo about relationships and sex. It's beyond me. Yes, he's intelligent, smart and all that and he knows a lot and can help you guys tremendously in the self-improvement field, spirituality and a lot more.

Sex and relationships and knowledge of the female gender is not his expertise and his advice on that will only leave you all more confused when you go out into the real world and see how real women are when you interact with them. I'm not saying he never gives any advice worth taking on this subject, but most of it is based on his own experience and that is based on his personality and so his interactions will be different from yours, plus when you're looking to just get laid, that will also be from a different mindset.

Saying women think you're a nobody before sex, then proceed to have sex with you anyway, doesn't compute with the female's way of thinking. So, we get dressed, put in time and energy to go on a date with Mr. Irrelevant and Mr. Unimportant because we are airheads, dumb and stupid, illogical, emotional and are waiting for someone to stick it to us first before we start to show how much we care because we are airheads, dumb and stupid because that's all it takes for women to value a man..it's the way he pumps us in bed. 

No wonder you're asking this question. Probably puzzled by it's complexities. 

To answer your question, it depends on the female. It's that simple. Nothing more needs to be said there. 

Women aren't impressed with your sex. They're impressed with how you treat them and how you make them feel outside of the bedroom and that's where they express their responses - in the bedroom. You'll never have great sex with a woman if you don't bring out those feelings prior to sex. Her sex with you is dependent on how she felt prior. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[Breakingthewall]

"the women" is not an entity who has an attitude. There are women that never would have sex with you without a deep connection and confidence and others who tries to fuck 1000 men in 24 h, same than men, and us, the men and women, often are so stupid that act disconnected of ourselves to fit, doing a lot of things that are out of our real behavior, losing what is our real behavior and being treacherous to ourselves to fit in the mold 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

"the women" is not an entity who has an attitude. There are women that never would have sex with you without a deep connection and confidence and others who tries to fuck 1000 men in 24 h, same than men, and us, the men and women, often are so stupid that act disconnected of ourselves to fit, doing a lot of things that are out of our real behavior, losing what is our real behavior and being treacherous to ourselves to fit in the mold 

Stick to opening up to infinity. Leave the women having sex with 1000/24hrs out of this. They don't exist. Hehe. 

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Stick to opening up to infinity. Leave the women having sex with 1000/24hrs out of this. They don't exist. Hehe. 

Yes, there is one who has this challenge to 2025, in 2024 she fucked 100 in 24h

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, there is one who has this challenge to 2025, in 2024 she fucked 100 in 24h

That's just one woman. Imagine how many perverted men there are to be fucking women who fuck 100 men in a day, not to mention 1000 men. Where do we find these men, everywhere. Where do we find these women....on speciality news reports. The women aren't the problem.

Edited 11 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

That's just one woman. Imagine how many perverted men there are to be fucking women who fuck 100 men in a day, not to mention 1000 men. Where do we find these men, everywhere. Where do we find these women....on speciality news reports.

True, if any man could, when we were in school at 13, 14 years old, we would fuck all the girls of school , 3 per day, in rotative turns. I think that 80% of men would do that if it were possible. Women are very different, they do very strange things like don't want to fuck with anyone who's not her boyfriend, except if he's famous, then yes. It's more pervert in my opinion 

Edited 11 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, The Renaissance Man said:

Do you feel it's true for you that before sex happens, the man is completely unimportant and irrelevant to you, even if you had a great time on a date?

In my opinion Women use to have sex for two reasons: because they see you as a possible partner, or because they feel very horny about you. It's not because they had a great time in a date, that's friend zone

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, The Renaissance Man said:

Do you feel it's true for you that before sex happens, the man is completely unimportant and irrelevant to you, even if you had a great time on a date?

Of course they don't percieve it that way.

[Princess Arabia]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

In my opinion Women use to have sex for two reasons: because they see you as a possible partner, or because they feel very horny about you.

25 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

Seeing you as a possible partner/bf usually makes us stall a bit longer. It's usually the second reason amongst others.

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Seeing you as a possible partner/bf usually makes us stall a bit longer. It's usually the second reason amongst others.

Well the other reason, just sexual attraction, It should also take some time. If it is on the first date it is superficial, it means that the person bases their attraction on superficial reasons, not on there being real chemistry, for this to happen it takes some time. Fast food is junk food, but well, it depends of the person I guess