Freedom is freedom

[Kuba Powiertowski]

You are always free. Whether in form or out of form. Either you are fully aware of it or not. Duality or non-duality has no significance here. All this philosophizing that one is suffering and somewhere there is liberation still comes from the illusion of separation, which is not the same as duality, although it has its mysterious roots in it. There is no need to abandon duality, but to stop treating it in absolute categories, to see that it is an ever-changing manifestation of the unity of all that is. An ocean without waves, reefs, mysterious depths and a million creatures that inhabit it is a big, boring puddle.

Yes, yes I know... Ram Dass wasn't enlightened...🤦

Anyway, happy Christmas, even when You are sure that this guy never existed😊🤟.

[Princess Arabia]

8 hours ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

You are always free. Whether in form or out of form. Either you are fully aware of it or not.

Absolute freedom cannot be known. There's no one to be aware of freedom, because freedom (in this sense), is all there is. It is not a feeling state. It is what is. Free to even be a slave. Unconditionally free.

The separate self, the individual, the contracted energy that thinks it's a human and a person can never feel free because that is freedom expressing as someone who isn't free. There is no becoming free. There's no "you are always free" because there is no you.

The person/human is just that seeking energy that seeks to be free and liberated. It cannot be anything else but "not free", but only in appearance. 

Edited December 20 by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

9 hours ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

Yes, yes I know... Ram Dass wasn't enlightened...🤦

And neither is anyone else but only in the dream. It's the Absolute appearing as someone who appears to be enlightened. Nothing is separate do how can someone be enlightened and another not if it's not only in the dream of separation.

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Princess Arabia If such a narrative, such a perception of things serves you, no problem, good for you. For me it is useless and that's it. Of course, I do not mean to prove that this or that person was exceptional because, first of all, everyone is exceptional, secondly, whether this exceptionality means something to us, each of us assesses it ourselves and this is everyone's sacred right to their own opinion. I simply believe that freedom, in order to be freedom, must be fully conscious as a fundamental feature of our true nature. One cannot be partially free, therefore in the full realization of freedom circumstances cease to play a role. We have examples in our history of people who bore witness to this authentic, inner freedom regardless of the circumstances in which they had to live. And in many cases these were very difficult circumstances. You see, I am interested in what is authentic. What is authentic and true is, as it turns out, very practical and has the power of real change and transformation. I do not see such potential in the constant repetition of phrases about absolute nothingness, non-dual emptiness. Sometimes it looks like well-disguised nihilism resulting from inner suffering. Where is this supposed to lead? The fact is that we are here and now on Earth, in a divine dream. I have said many times that if a dream is a relative reality, you cannot claim that it does not happen. I understand that this is a difficult experience and I myself want to get the hell out of here more than once, but I feel that this is not the point. Of course, I may be wrong, just like you😉

[Princess Arabia]

7 hours ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

@Princess Arabia If such a narrative, such a perception of things serves you, no problem, good for you. For me it is useless and that's it. Of course, I do not mean to prove that this or that person was exceptional because, first of all, everyone is exceptional, secondly, whether this exceptionality means something to us, each of us assesses it ourselves and this is everyone's sacred right to their own opinion. I simply believe that freedom, in order to be freedom, must be fully conscious as a fundamental feature of our true nature. One cannot be partially free, therefore in the full realization of freedom circumstances cease to play a role. We have examples in our history of people who bore witness to this authentic, inner freedom regardless of the circumstances in which they had to live. And in many cases these were very difficult circumstances. You see, I am interested in what is authentic. What is authentic and true is, as it turns out, very practical and has the power of real change and transformation. I do not see such potential in the constant repetition of phrases about absolute nothingness, non-dual emptiness. Sometimes it looks like well-disguised nihilism resulting from inner suffering. Where is this supposed to lead? The fact is that we are here and now on Earth, in a divine dream. I have said many times that if a dream is a relative reality, you cannot claim that it does not happen. I understand that this is a difficult experience and I myself want to get the hell out of here more than once, but I feel that this is not the point. Of course, I may be wrong, just like you😉

😉😉

[Javfly33]

You want to intellectually win the Game. But thats not actually Winning. 

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Javfly33 While winning ends the game (temporarily), losing motivates every true athlete to try again. After all, the driving force of every game is the challenges the game sets before us and the series of defeats on the way to achieving them. I love playing for the very essence of the game. Something happens, it's interesting. Winning after a moment of bliss turns into a void in which the question "what next" resounds? I'm not talking about you now, but if someone thinks it's about winning, they completely misunderstand and, more importantly, don't feel the essence of the game.

[M A J I]

On 12/21/2024 at 9:47 AM, Princess Arabia said:

Absolute freedom cannot be known. There's no one to be aware of freedom, because freedom (in this sense), is all there is. It is not a feeling state. It is what is. Free to even be a slave. Unconditionally free.

The separate self, the individual, the contracted energy that thinks it's a human and a person can never feel free because that is freedom expressing as someone who isn't free. There is no becoming free. There's no "you are always free" because there is no you.

The person/human is just that seeking energy that seeks to be free and liberated. It cannot be anything else but "not free", but only in appearance. 

Careful now Ms brown bear, we've all been in this hole before, even some of the more respected members of these forums fell off the face of the earth because they went too deep into the endless rabbit hole that has no true ground. Being an older member you should know by now. A little helping hand by an elder brother.

 

Edited December 22 by M A J I

[Ishanga]

28 minutes ago, M A J I said:

Careful now Ms brown bear, we've all been in this hole before, even some of the more respected members of these forums fell off the face of the earth because they went too deep into the endless rabbit hole that has no true ground. Being an older member you should know by now. A little helping hand by an elder brother.

 

LoL, its like a old record player skipping, they all sound exactly the same LOL!!!

[Ishanga]

@Kuba Powiertowski Freedom is available to all of Us, real Freedom is no Entanglement, Your Transparent, Your totally involved with What Is, and the Situation, and the People within each Moment but when the Moment passes, things change, You don't dwell on it, or crave it, and Your Blissful of Your Own Nature, then Your Free, because Suffering is not possible, this is first Base, the Foundation built, "What about Me" is gone, Ego there but space created, no longer a slave to it, your the Master, then Life Opens up, so Freedom is just a bunch of Foundational things set up in Your Experience, to allow all Potentials to come to You Naturally!

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Ishanga exactly 🎯🤟

[Kuba Powiertowski]

[Ishanga]

27 minutes ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

Yes so true! Duality is not opposites, just both things existing at the sametime, if Love is created and exists then Hate has to exist and visa versa, its a circle not a separate entity or thing, its just as Humans we can chose to Love or Hate as an example, and this applies to anything, you can see or experience the impersonal God or the Personal God as he says, so that is one of our basic Capabilities, choice or Free Will in this regard...

The problem happens when You have absolutist (the non dualist here) or the atheist (dualists, materialist, egoic types), both exist, we have access to both, deny one or the other, then your off base and half right half wrong, which causes suffering and further delay in knowing Truth as it is!! 

[Princess Arabia]

3 hours ago, M A J I said:

Careful now Ms brown bear, we've all been in this hole before, even some of the more respected members of these forums fell off the face of the earth because they went too deep into the endless rabbit hole that has no true ground. Being an older member you should know by now. A little helping hand by an elder brother.

 

I'm not sure what Advaita stuff you're talking about. It's quite obvious to me of what I'm saying. I'm not at home watching and listening to stuff and regurgitating and parroting ideologies. I'm seeing through things myself. It's not a belief. What you're not realizing with me is that there need be no careful with me this and careful with me that and this trap and that trap. I'm living my life the ordinary way, engaging with normal people doing normal things just as before. I don't wake up trying to do processes and practices and trying to get somewhere and falling into traps and following some guru and engaging in rituals and psychedelics to go crazy and blah blah.....I have seen enough and heard enough to realize what I'm saying is the case. All you guys are fine with whatever you do and believe. Doesn't matter. I've seen countless times and i see everywhere how spirituality is making people believe in fantasies and ideas including you. Quoting from some SRI master means nothing to me. They are only the Absolute appearing as such. Go ahead and quote all you want, none of it is complete. None of what anyone says is complete, including myself. It's all entertainment at this point. All frivolous bs. All something for this me energy to hold unto. Trying to gain something from what's already whole and complete. All your SRI masters speak to you as if you asked to come here and need some weirdo to tell you now how to live because your mamma and pappa had sex. Why should i need to learn lessons and learn how to navigate a life i didn't ask to be a part of and listen to some guru with a beard tell me shit. Well, i've recognized why....and that my friend is the freedom I'm referring to. I'm not in any traps, neither are you or anyone else. I've seen that lovely video before. I'm still living, eating, shitting, pissing, talking, living life just as I was before still haven't seen any traps. There are no traps. Only in your head. And there's nothing there either so there's your freedom.

 

 

Edited December 22 by Princess Arabia

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Princess Arabia There is a lot of anger in your statement, but if you claim that it is ok, then good for you. Just remember about symmetry. Calling the statements of some wise beings a bullshit without any justification, sooner or later you will come across a similar judgment of your statements, which, it may happen, will be very well justified. All for the sake of game we play here😉

[Ishanga]

10 minutes ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

@Princess Arabia There is a lot of anger in your statement, but if you claim that it is ok, then good for you. Just remember about symmetry. Calling the statements of some wise beings a bullshit without any justification, sooner or later you will come across a similar judgment of your statements, which, it may happen, will be very well justified. All for the sake of game we play here😉

She'll say its a projection You are placing upon Her, and that it means nothing to Her, but there is anger in her statement that is easily seen, why the anger? Why the responses in the first place, why the 10,000+ posts, replies, threads and participation if nothing is here, nothing is being done, no one is here to do anything??? 

My beef is that this sort of understanding is dangerous, ppl can do what they want in their own personal lives, I don't care, but this is a public forum, ppl read all of what we share, when they read that sort of stuff, its dangerous, they don't even see the anger or suffering in their own lives, don't give meaning to it, there is no meaning in the first place but the posting continues, so its egoic, narcissistic and anti Spiritual in nature, but you cannot tell them that or care what they say because if You then You fall into the same trap they are in, ego rises and belief identity systems form then we are just as off base away from Truth as they are...

[M A J I]

9 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm not sure what Advaita stuff you're talking about. It's quite obvious to me of what I'm saying. I'm not at home watching and listening to stuff and regurgitating and parroting ideologies. I'm seeing through things myself. It's not a belief. What you're not realizing with me is that there need be no careful with me this and careful with me that and this trap and that trap. I'm living my life the ordinary way, engaging with normal people doing normal things just as before. I don't wake up trying to do processes and practices and trying to get somewhere and falling into traps and following some guru and engaging in rituals and psychedelics to go crazy and blah blah.....I have seen enough and heard enough to realize what I'm saying is the case. All you guys are fine with whatever you do and believe. Doesn't matter. I've seen countless times and i see everywhere how spirituality is making people believe in fantasies and ideas including you. Quoting from some SRI master means nothing to me. They are only the Absolute appearing as such. Go ahead and quote all you want, none of it is complete. None of what anyone says is complete, including myself. It's all entertainment at this point. All frivolous bs. All something for this me energy to hold unto. Trying to gain something from what's already whole and complete. All your SRI masters speak to you as if you asked to come here and need some weirdo to tell you now how to live because your mamma and pappa had sex. Why should i need to learn lessons and learn how to navigate a life i didn't ask to be a part of and listen to some guru with a beard tell me shit. Well, i've recognized why....and that my friend is the freedom I'm referring to. I'm not in any traps, neither are you or anyone else. I've seen that lovely video before. I'm still living, eating, shitting, pissing, talking, living life just as I was before still haven't seen any traps. There are no traps. Only in your head. And there's nothing there either so there's your freedom.

 

 

You say a lot, yet nothing at all. Lacking in substance, depth, breadth. This reveals you are much out of balance dear sister.

You used to have 2000 comments when I left the forums, now you have almost 12000, I seen this happen with many who get consumed by the ideas on these forums, as they spend more time online than they do in the real world.

You are seeing things as attacks when they are not at all. In other posts you claim you aren't affected and no-ego but its clearly the opposite, hence your responses.

Sometimes if you can shift the way you see things, you may realize what you thought was attack, was actually help and support.

 

Edited December 23 by M A J I

[Princess Arabia]

23 minutes ago, M A J I said:

You say a lot, yet nothing at all. Lacking in substance, depth, breadth. This reveals you are much out of balance dear sister.

You used to have 2000 comments when I left the forums, now you have almost 12000, I seen this happen with many who get consumed by the ideas on these forums, as they spend more time online than they do in the real world.

You are seeing things as attacks when they are not at all. In other posts you claim you aren't affected and no-ego but its clearly the opposite, hence your responses.

Sometimes if you can shift the way you see things, you may realize what you thought was attack, was actually help and support.

 

I must be important to you if you're paying attention to my numbers.  I find that focusing on people's numbers unless you're seeing if they are a newbie or not, and maybe to address them appropriately is quite shallow and dumb to be making assessments on. People's #'s have nothing to do with anything other than just that, a number. I'm on here almost everyday, give and take a few days, so what. This is the problem with humans, always comparing and judging. I have a few mega threads and i share a lot, plus videos and a journal - so what. Sharing food items and sharing videos is not consuming ideas and just mental masturbating. My presence here is much more than consuming ideas. Just looking at someone's numbers and coming to conclusion on how they arrived at those numbers without knowing the facts shows me that you're the one consumed with ideas. 

Edited December 23 by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

9 hours ago, Ishanga said:

She'll say its a projection You are placing upon Her, and that it means nothing to Her, but there is anger in her statement that is easily seen, why the anger? Why the responses in the first place, why the 10,000+ posts, replies, threads and participation if nothing is here, nothing is being done, no one is here to do anything??? 

My beef is that this sort of understanding is dangerous, ppl can do what they want in their own personal lives, I don't care, but this is a public forum, ppl read all of what we share, when they read that sort of stuff, its dangerous, they don't even see the anger or suffering in their own lives, don't give meaning to it, there is no meaning in the first place but the posting continues, so its egoic, narcissistic and anti Spiritual in nature, but you cannot tell them that or care what they say because if You then You fall into the same trap they are in, ego rises and belief identity systems form then we are just as off base away from Truth as they are...

Blah blah blah

[Princess Arabia]

As soon as the "me" gets threatened, it lashes out. Meh lol. It's a pattern I've noticed. Lots of bullshit said here on the forum, but not truths and dangerous shit. Did you know that drinking coke is dangerous? And popping pills and taking psychedelics too much or without guidance. Give me a break. Saying freedom is for everyone is dangerous? huh, and that it can't be known. Lol. Guys this is my spirituality, observation. I haven't been unproven once. Let me call you an apple, you'll laugh, tell you there's no one and I'm dangerous and narcissistic, if there's someone then obviously I don't know what I'm talking about. Why get prissy about it. You're a bicycle. Are you going to tell me I'm dangerous for calling you a bicycle you'll laugh about it. Why doesn't the friggin "me" laugh about it when it hears there's no one. Haha. Why so serious. Why not tell Leo he's dangerous when he says there's no difference between you and a coffee table. Hehe  or you're hallucinating or you're imagining him. Half the shit i say are all in his videos yet you're up on his forum acting like you never heard this shit before. Give me a break.