Gaza Death Toll debunked

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Then why they keep voting for parties that DO belive in it?

Likud party which is pro expansion and sees all that land as Israel had the most votes.

It is good you do not see things like they do but I feel like most Israelis vote for parties which reflect those views.

Or am I missing something?

So 2022 election: Likud (32 seats ), Lapid (I assume he is not pro expansion? 24 seats), Smotrich the right wing fascist (14 seats and 8 more seats since the previous election), Benny Gantz (I assume anti expansion?, 12 seats), Aryeh Deri, seems like religious fanatic (11 seats).

So yeah, you can see like the pro expansion parties getting 2x more mandates than the moderates.

 

 

Apparently according to polls if there is another election the moderates will do better.

But they were in office before and didn’t remove settlements.  

[Nivsch]

8 hours ago, lina said:

Unless they speak out against it (not the hostages) then their silence is approval

If people from Italy would invade France and make them the worst trauma for decades, would you expect French people to care about Italians in the following couple of years? This is utterly unrealistic.

And not only that, but Italian extremists are consistently traumatizing French people for 30 years in terror operations if we continue the analogy. Your expectations from people are irrational.

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[Leo Gura]

11 hours ago, Nivsch said:

This does not change the fact that the majority of Israelis do not hold this ideology, nor believe in it, nor desire to have land in Gaza or the West Bank.

I don't buy that.

Majority of Israelis support nationalist policies, which is why those policies have been ongoing for 70 years and anyone who questions those policies is treated as a traitor or "self-hating Jew".

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[Nivsch]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't buy that.

Majority of Israelis support nationalist policies, which is why those policies have been ongoing for 70 years and anyone who questions those policies is treated as a traitor.

Things that they are connecting automatically in their brain to securing their lives like tight checkpoints around West Bank. I think this is still very different than an active support for isolated settlements and expansion of them or desire or motivation to take more land because there the minority is found.

[gambler]

20 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

If people from Italy would invade France and make them the worst trauma for decades, would you expect French people to care about Italians in the following couple of years? This is utterly unrealistic.

And not only that, but Italian extremists are consistently traumatizing French people for 30 years in terror operations if we continue the analogy. Your expectations from people are irrational.

Let’s keep it real, how traumatized are Israelis really? Let’s look at Iraq, half a million or more died from invasion of Iraq to the present moment from everything that came from that, but the overwhelming majority of Iraqis love Americans and America. Despite their trauma, they can be rational enough to empathize with the other and see the nuances of things. 

[Nivsch]

4 minutes ago, gambler said:

Let’s keep it real, how traumatized are Israelis really? Let’s look at Iraq, half a million or more died from invasion of Iraq to the present moment from everything that came from that, but the overwhelming majority of Iraqis love Americans and America. Despite their trauma, they can be rational enough to empathize with the other and see the nuances of things. 

There is no a single day when I open the radio and not hear "Oct7th" in the first 5 minutes. And I am not exaggarating. I mean literally. The conversation is almost only on that. Believe what you want though. Open Ynet or twitter and translate the pages and twitts of Israelis and you will see the same.

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[Nivsch]

@Leo Gura I will feel treatened and scared if the checkpoint which is found 5 km from my home won't be secured enough or diminished I say to you honestly. This isn't a justice issue even. In terms of justice I am for Two State solution. I live right now near the city Modiin (not WB but near the 67' border).

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