The pressure of being a person

[Princess Arabia]

17 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I have a few  question :

Anyone who Is familiar with spirituality and nondual teachings you likely' know' that the sense of individuality or separation is false or illusory. That there isn't an actual separate self inside the organism. Who you think you are is not who you actually are. Who you think are - the ego is literally just a thought. An arising sensation that says "im me here inside this body ".   When this thought disappear.. What is left is pure awareness of various perceptions and sensations without any personal relationship to them. Without "my perception and my sensation" identification. 

My question is.. If there is no you.. Why does it ' seem like ' there is a you..?

You can grasp in direct experience that "you" is false identification with thought.. It is not real. Yet it is the most real thing for you. After all what is more real and important to you in your life then yourself? Right? 

So what exactly is grounding this sense of self? Why does the "I" thought keep arising throughout your whole life even after seeing through the misidentification?  And what is the personality ?  What makes this body-mind here to have a different personality than that body-mind over there even tho there is no "person" to begin with?  What role do memories play in grounding your sense of self?  What is the difference between a memory and a thought? 

Now a whole pack of questions can open up about memory .is the past even real ? No matter where you look you can't find anything but the present and How can we trust our memory if any at all? Etc but I will just stop here. 

For example your entire life story and who you think you are and how you view yourself and your life is just a thought story.. Mostly memories... But those thoughts are not occurring 24/7.. So once they stop occurring even for a second you are left not knowing who you are and how you got there (interesting huh?). And so what prevents you from losing yourself and going Insane is these stories and memories keep arising to ground your sense of self and reality. 

Thoughts? 

Wow, that's a mouthful. Very deep questions. I'll try to attempt in no particular order

The Absolute is appearing as everything. What you call a memory is also it appearing as a memory in the present. Meaning there is actually no you with a memory but the absolute appearing as memory and the I grasps and holds on to that appearance and make it theirs. It takes everything personal and believes it's about it. If I'm thinking about my mother right now, thatls the Absolute appearing as thinking about my mother in present time.

There is no I thought that keeps appearing throughout YOUR whole life. Your whole life and the I thought are the same thing. Meaning there is no you that is thinking of an I and needs to stop thinking of an I. The I is that energy itself. There is no you separate from the I thought. So there's nothing the I can do to end itself because it really isn't there but only as an illusion. 

Matter of fact, just watch this in it's entirety. I know you've seen Jim before but this one i think is the best of the best and a summary of it all and sums it all up quite well and explores just every aspect of your questions. Like his best in one video.

 

[Breakingthewall]

39 minutes ago, Someone here said:

My question is.. If there is no you.. Why does it ' seem like ' there is a you..?

 For there to be experience there has to be duality, without a perceiver and a perception there is no experience, if there is no experience reality does not manifest, if reality does not manifest it means that if at a given moment it manifests again the experience will be uninterrupted, because parenthesis without experience does not occur. Time is created by the movement, is relative to the movement, and movement is relative to a reference point, the perceiver. 

Then, how this occur? Only one possibility, the absolute is looking itself, then movement and perception appears. If the absolute is looking itself, this happen infinitely, because there are not Limits. Then the relative movement is infinite, infinite "you" created by infinite reflections. Any reflection that is synchronic appears, just by the fact that what is not synchronized doesn't appear, then the infinite starts in infinite basic points that by the movement start to synchronizing until it's absolutely synchroniced, then there is not movement, not perception. Until it starts again, that's immediately, because the intermediate eternity is not happening .

 

Edited Wednesday at 08:37 PM by Breakingthewall

[Princess Arabia]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 For there to be experience there has to be duality, without a perceiver and a perception there is no experience, if there is no experience reality does not manifest, if reality does not manifest it means that if at a given moment it manifests again the experience will be uninterrupted, because parenthesis without experience does not occur. Time is created by the movement, is relative to the movement, and movement is relative to a reference point, the perceiver. 

Lovely, which is an illusion. Duality is an illusion. You explained perfectly, but it's still illusory and not really happening. That's the magical appearance of This. There is no actual reality only an appearance of one.

Edited Wednesday at 08:50 PM by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then, how this occur? Only one possibility, the absolute is looking itself, t

What does this even mean. Are you saying the Absolute is looking through itself or looking for itself? 

[PurpleTree]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

It's exhausting being a human/person. Why, because there is a feeling that comes with that energy that something is lost, something is missing and that I have to find it and make myself whole.  

Well maybe. Maybe it’s also because "a person" is trying to control stuff that can’t be controlled. Or maybe for other reasons. Or maybe for no reason. It’s unknowable anyway.

[Breakingthewall]

31 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Duality is an illusion. You explained perfectly, but it's still illusory and not really happening. That's the magical appearance of This. There is no actual reality only an appearance of one.

Where is the difference between real and illusion? It something seems that is happening, where is the difference with it's really happening?

29 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

What does this even mean. Are you saying the Absolute is looking through itself or looking for itself? 

The only possibility is that the absolute is reflecting in itself, like in a mirror, because to be perception something external of the perceptor must be, and absolute means nothing external, then it must be like two mirrors that reflects itself to infinity, if not, how anything could appear? Even as illusion, though, the absolute must be relative. Relative to itself

[Inliytened1]

@PurpleTree but the funny thing is we put this pressure on ourselves.   It is the ego mind that applies it's own pressure.   It's not external pressures but it is what we ultimately put on our ourselves as a result of what we perceive to be external pressures.  They're really internal.   We don't have to give in to the external pressures if we don't want to but we tend to dramatize everything as the ego. 

Edited yesterday at 01:27 AM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

@PurpleTree but the funny thing is we put this pressure on ourselves.   It is the ego mind that applies it's own pressure.   It's not external pressures but it is what we ultimately put on our ourselves as a result of what we perceive to be external pressures.  They're really internal.   We don't have to give in to the external pressures if we don't want to but we tend to dramatize everything as the ego. 

Then if someone breaks your bones with a hammer, could you decide don't feel pain? Because everything is internal, then you are imagining the pain because you want

[gettoefl]

Reality is the whole which can also be the split into the person and the non-person

Absolute thinks to itself. I will for this moment see myself as the person, playing for a while with what is not myself , the non-person

I can experience fun dreams in this way even though of course such an arbitrary splitting of reality is impossible

So this will be an illusion and a game but never mind, I will still imagine and enjoy

And here we are, living the dream

The question now begged is can I go back to reality but let's save that for now

Namely as a person, what pressures help me and what hinder me in realizing what I am

 

[El Zapato]

Nah, being a person is easy...all it takes is the most free entity in creation...spirit.  I believe that 'persons' that do not generously share their good spirit are not people...they are a subspecies of what might be called humans but have strong tendencies to animalistic instinct.

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, El Zapato said:

Nah, being a person is easy...

Well maybe for less deep and non sensitive people it’s easy. Buddha said life is suffering. Trump probably doesn’t suffer much. You’re maybe more of Trump and i’m more of a Buddha nahmean? 

 

 

 

whatever just kidding.

[El Zapato]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Well maybe for less deep and non sensitive people it’s easy. Buddha said life is suffering. Trump probably doesn’t suffer much. You’re maybe more of Trump and i’m more of a Buddha nahmean? 

 

 

 

whatever just kidding.

lol, maybe...I sometimes wonder... 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

Absolute thinks to itself.

The absolute doesn't think, or dream, or play, or want, or make funny jokes like Auschwitz because he is bored in the holy heaven alone. all that are relative feelings. The absolute is absolute, nothing more. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then if someone breaks your bones with a hammer, could you decide don't feel pain? Because everything is internal, then you are imagining the pain because you want

@PurpleTree  you can decide whether or not you want to suffer from it.  Yes.

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

@PurpleTree  you can decide whether or not you want to suffer from it.  Yes.

You decide how? For example if someone broke my bones, it's because I had decided it because I'm imagining him, who doesn't exist and haven't real experience? He's like a drawing in a paper without real depth and reality?

[PurpleTree]

51 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@PurpleTree  you can decide whether or not you want to suffer from it.  Yes.

There is no doer really there is seemingly no or almost no free will. So i highly doubt that you can decide anything really.

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

The absolute doesn't think, or dream, or play, or want, or make funny jokes like Auschwitz because he is bored in the holy heaven alone. all that are relative feelings. The absolute is absolute, nothing more. 

The absolute is the set of all possible loving thoughts

See everything as this and you arrive

There is not other than the set of all loving thoughts

except in my attempt to dream and play and judge

The work is, to interpret everything lovingly:

Every post on this forum is people giving me a nudge to awaken

I am healing them in this way and that is how I am healed back

They are inside me the whole time

Edited 16 hours ago by gettoefl

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

You decide how? For example if someone broke my bones, it's because I had decided it because I'm imagining him, who doesn't exist and haven't real experience? He's like a drawing in a paper without real depth and reality?

You wanted it to happen

You set it up since the beginning

It may be ok for it to happen or maybe it no longer needed

Forgive your fractured selves, extend an olive branch and see them as unadulterated love for they are clueless what they are doing

Ego will resist such a radical thought system but someone like a Jesus saw the face of Christ in everyone and loved them no matter

Edited 15 hours ago by gettoefl

[PurpleTree]

I think some of the pressure comes from feeling separate as Arabian said makes you feel unsafe a small self in a big dangerous universe. 

Then comparing self to others. Looks. Life, Successes, etc. Trying to fit into society etc.

Then also this feeling/belief that this self, reality, moment, immediacy need to be better, different or "going somewhere" it not already being complete. Time.

Expectations of others.

Also just attachment and resistance to stuff. Like wanting attention.

Edited 14 hours ago by PurpleTree