The pressure of being a person

[PurpleTree]

I was just reflecting on that.

And the pressure of being a person is wild.

The pressure of being in time and having a future with death. The pressure of needing to get it right. Of being a good person. Of wanting to be liked and not rejected etc. Of looking good. The pressure of being a good mom, woman, son. Making the right decisions. The pressure of having a good life, being smart etc.

I mean these things are obviously obvious if you heard of spirituality so you can call me captain obvious.

But just the pressure aspect of it is what i was thinking about.

[Breakingthewall]

Absolutely agree, the goal is the freedom. Absolute freedom, not jocking. Freedom in the sense that don't care even a bit about life and death, much less about the people opinion. But it's very difficult, that shit is very deep in us as humans, merged with us from birth, touching genetic buttons, almost impossible to ignore 

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Absolutely agree, the goal is the freedom. Absolute freedom, not jocking. Freedom in the sense that don't care even a bit about life and death, much less about the people opinion. But it's very difficult, that shit is very deep in us as humans, merged with us from birth, touching genetic buttons, almost impossible to ignore 

Yes but even the pressure to feel free and get to freedom is a pressure. Then one day you feel free the next constricted and then you’re pressuring yourself.

 

 

 

 

Also the pressure we put on other people to be and act a certain way and do things for us.

I guess it’s different for everyone but for me the pressure i put on myself and others has always been quite high. 
 

Just apparently, allegedly maybe it’s just energetic or whatever.

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

Yes but even the pressure to feel free and get to freedom is a pressure. Then one day you feel free the next constricted and then you’re pressuring yourself.

If you don't fight hard for the freedom, it's not going to happen. We have the slavery incoded from thousands of generations of mental slavery. Maybe its a pressure, but it's how it is

[Sugarcoat]

It’s fine to think about seemingly “obvious” things. I do too. But yea you’re absolutely right. And this pressure gets ingrained in the very identity, in the structure of the self, so it’s got you on a hook like nothing else. That’s perhaps the hardest part, letting go of pressures that have become internal attachments . Like for example how you can have outside pressure to look good, but it’s when it’s inside yourself your very identity is attached to looking good then it has the strongest grip on you

Edited 5 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

If you don't fight hard for the freedom, it's not going to happen. We have the slavery incoded from thousands of generations of mental slavery. Maybe its a pressure, but it's how it is

Freedom is appearing as someone fighting for freedom. Freedom is appearing as slavery. You will never find freedom because freedom cannot be known.

Freedom is all there is. Whatever your response is to this statement, that's also freedom responding as such. The individual separate self is fucked in this way, but not really, as that is also freedom appearing as someone fucked. There is already no one.

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

. Then one day you feel free the next constricted and then you’re pressuring yourself.

Absolute freedom cannot be felt; it's not a feeling. What you're expressing is freedom appearing as someone that feels free then feels constricted again. Freedom is unlimited and can appear as anything or else it wouldn't be free.

[Princess Arabia]

It's exhausting being a human/person. Why, because there is a feeling that comes with that energy that something is lost, something is missing and that I have to find it and make myself whole. It can't help it. No one is actually doing that, it's happening all on it's own but the illusory experience makes it feel/seems real. 

There's no one that can actually stop seeking or stop being human because it never began in the first place. It's only an appearance as such and there's no one to awaken out of the dream because...well, the dream isn't really happening. You might say an illusion is still happening, but let me see you go try to grab a rainbow. You see the effects of something else that caused the rainbow and what caused the effects (sun's rays, vapor, etc) are caused by something else, (condensation, clouds, evaporation), and what caused those is also from something else and it goes unto you end up at nothing. The Absolute/Freedom/Unconditional Love/No-thing was only appearing as those things in the moment but not in time, to cause the appearance of those effects. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[Breakingthewall]

30 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Freedom is appearing as someone fighting for freedom. Freedom is appearing as slavery. You will never find freedom because freedom cannot be known.

Freedom is all there is. Whatever your response is to this statement, that's also freedom responding as such. The individual separate self is fucked in this way, but not really, as that is also freedom appearing as someone fucked. There is already no one.

There is the possibility of free your mind and be one with the absolute, that of no one means nothing and leads you to nowhere. The mind is limited by default, you can open this limitation and perceive yourself without limits, but you have to do it

[James123]

3 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

I was just reflecting on that.

And the pressure of being a person is wild.

The pressure of being in time and having a future with death. The pressure of needing to get it right. Of being a good person. Of wanting to be liked and not rejected etc. Of looking good. The pressure of being a good mom, woman, son. Making the right decisions. The pressure of having a good life, being smart etc.

I mean these things are obviously obvious if you heard of spirituality so you can call me captain obvious.

But just the pressure aspect of it is what i was thinking about.

When. You completely surrender the human, you are free 

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

perceive yourself

The perceiver is an illusion. There is no perceiver; but I can't tell you that because you already know that there is a perceiver which is the very thing that hides the fact that there's no perceiver. 

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

When. You completely surrender the human, you are free 

There is no human to surrender. It never was. That's just another fantasy/dream/hallucination/

Where's the "you" that's surrendering to the human. That's two things. Separate. There's no separation.

Edited 3 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

Freedom is appearing as someone fighting for freedom. Freedom is appearing as slavery. You will never find freedom because freedom cannot be known.

Freedom is all there is. Whatever your response is to this statement, that's also freedom responding as such. The individual separate self is fucked in this way, but not really, as that is also freedom appearing as someone fucked. There is already no one.

Oh here we go again 👀❤️

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Oh here we go again 👀❤️

lol. Yeah, it's a fucking circle. Going round and round and round and not actually getting anywhere because it's not really going round in a circle. Lol

Enlightened/Awakened yet?

[James123]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

There is no human to surrender. It never was. That's just another fantasy/dream/hallucination/

Where's the "you" that's surrendering to the human. That's two things. Separate. There's no separation.

Don't eat anything for couple days, let's see you are human or not.

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, James123 said:

Don't eat anything for couple days, let's see you are human or not.

There's no human already so there's no one to run your stupid experiment. Even if there's no eating for a month, there's no one doing that. It's wholeness appearing to not eat for a month. If it dies because of starvation, there will be no one there to know it's dead because death can't be known. 

[James123]

21 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There's no human already so there's no one to run your stupid experiment. Even if there's no eating for a month, there's no one doing that. It's wholeness appearing to not eat for a month. If it dies because of starvation, there will be no one there to know it's dead because death can't be known. 

Hahahahahaha.

[James123]

22 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There's no human already so there's no one to run your stupid experiment. Even if there's no eating for a month, there's no one doing that. It's wholeness appearing to not eat for a month. If it dies because of starvation, there will be no one there to know it's dead because death can't be known. 

You need to get a slap and wake you up. 

[Javfly33]

46 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

lol. Yeah, it's a fucking circle. Going round and round and round and not actually getting anywhere because it's not really going round in a circle. Lol

 

No I need some more time I'm having a thrill here in the illusion 

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Enlightened/Awakened yet?

There is an end to the circle though. But lets not get started

[Someone here]

I have a few  question :

Anyone who Is familiar with spirituality and nondual teachings you likely' know' that the sense of individuality or separation is false or illusory. That there isn't an actual separate self inside the organism. Who you think you are is not who you actually are. Who you think are - the ego is literally just a thought. An arising sensation that says "im me here inside this body ".   When this thought disappear.. What is left is pure awareness of various perceptions and sensations without any personal relationship to them. Without "my perception and my sensation" identification. 

My question is.. If there is no you.. Why does it ' seem like ' there is a you..?

You can grasp in direct experience that "you" is false identification with thought.. It is not real. Yet it is the most real thing for you. After all what is more real and important to you in your life then yourself? Right? 

So what exactly is grounding this sense of self? Why does the "I" thought keep arising throughout your whole life even after seeing through the misidentification?  And what is the personality ?  What makes this body-mind here to have a different personality than that body-mind over there even tho there is no "person" to begin with?  What role do memories play in grounding your sense of self?  What is the difference between a memory and a thought? 

Now a whole pack of questions can open up about memory .is the past even real ? No matter where you look you can't find anything but the present and How can we trust our memory if any at all? Etc but I will just stop here. 

For example your entire life story and who you think you are and how you view yourself and your life is just a thought story.. Mostly memories... But those thoughts are not occurring 24/7.. So once they stop occurring even for a second you are left not knowing who you are and how you got there (interesting huh?). And so what prevents you from losing yourself and going Insane is these stories and memories keep arising to ground your sense of self and reality. 

Thoughts?