Why Do Sitting Meditation When You Can Do Hiking Meditation?

[r0ckyreed]

7 hours ago, integral said:

Next: Bull Riding Meditation

Why sit and meditate when you can meditate on a bull? Why eat food at a table, when you could eat food on a bullllllll. Why sleep on a bed when you can sleep on a bullllllllllllll. CALL NOW 1-800-BULL, why have money when you could buy an F-iiiinggg BULL. 🐂 

This is ridiculous. My whole point is that you shouldn’t need any meditation cushion or go to a cave or go ride on a bull to meditate. But it runs into a paradox of that if everything is a meditation then nothing is meditation.

[Breakingthewall]

On 19/12/2024 at 3:19 AM, r0ckyreed said:

Couldn’t marathon running meditation be a serious form of meditation that could lead to genuine insight?

Depending for what. If you want be one with yourself as human, feel yourself, be focused in the now, then yes. But if what you are looking for is opening to the unlimited, stop for a while of being human, be what you are without the human, without limits, then you need isolation, silence, calm, low sensorial stimulation. 

[Eph75]

@r0ckyreed

Your question is incomplete. 

Meditation as a means to, what exactly? 

Simply silencing your thought, inner dialogue, achieving peace and calm being mindful with the present? 

Enlightenment?

The no bullshit answer is no. 

The more intricate answer would be, enlightenment isn't prescriptive. 

Also, you can sit 5 hours and attain nothing at all. 

You could sit less but sit more efficiently, or arguably not sit at all, and attain "no thing".

The latter is not yours, if it was, you would never ask. 

If you are attracted by the thought of traveling rather than the option, to experience peace, go with that simply because why not. 

I found walking meditation being a supliment to all other practices. They all weigh into the mix, but it would not have changed anything for me, by walking alone.

Part of key here is external stimuli, even in flow states, the external stimuli is there and itself a distraction regardless of experiencing peace or not.

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Could include story of a years long supliment practice of daily 45 minutes walking meditation with blindfold and earplugs, a kind of a partial sensory deprivation and a deep trust building meditation, but I'll leave it at that.

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It's all going to amount to nothing though so maybe just drop the keyboard, sortie, travel the world just because?

Edited Friday at 10:05 PM by Eph75

[Breakingthewall]

Meditation is emptying the mind, feeling your energy flow, opening your blockages, opening your mind to the unlimited. It is normal to not be able to do this, then meditation is closed, unpleasant, an effort in which you always perceive barriers. If so, for me the best thing is to do psychedelics regularly, until you break the barriers, then meditation works, or maybe you start believing that you are alone creating the others, be careful 😅

[Ishanga]

Meditation is the wrong word to use, Sadhana is much better, its more specific in nature, it means Spiritual Practice or Technique/Method, by which there  are many, but they are time tested, but for them to work belief is not needed, just willingness to try and stay with it for periods of time..

Anything can be helpful, long walks in nature are meditative in nature, that means You feel at Ease in nature because the ambiance is there, nature is giving itself to You, but its limited, walking or being in nature will not bring You to the Ultimate, so Your Intentions as well play a role.. Willingness and Intentions are super important, find out what You want to do, find the method that will do it for You and then DO IT! 

Doing it on Your own is not impossible, just highly unlikely, like they say why reinvent the wheel, its already been invented just use it!! 

[Princess Arabia]

On 12/19/2024 at 8:47 AM, M A J I said:

Whatever activity or non-activity allows you to remain "present" is meditation. Do what works for you, need not question it.

There is only presence. This "remain present" is nothing but an idea, a concept. Mind trick. Having sex is being present. Arguing with somebody is presence. There's nothing but. Past and future doesn't exist. When the mind is in the past and the future, that is still presence, because it does it in the present. No effort is needed to be present.

[M A J I]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

There is only presence. This "remain present" is nothing but an idea, a concept. Mind trick. Having sex is being present. Arguing with somebody is presence. There's nothing but. Past and future doesn't exist. When the mind is in the past and the future, that is still presence, because it does it in the present. No effort is needed to be present.

You knew what I meant, no need to be Mr Ego correction agent.

[Princess Arabia]

7 hours ago, M A J I said:

You knew what I meant, no need to be Mr Ego correction agent.

It's Ms. There is no ego.

[r0ckyreed]

Thanks guys for your responses. I see that there is a benefit for sitting meditation. I think I am just too active for it. I value being active. Life is short and I don’t want to spend it sitting in one place forever. That’s what prison is for. I want to see the world. I want to hike the Himalayas and go to England. I want to get into rock climbing and get into fit shape. I hardly ever do sitting meditation. I used to do it 20 minutes a day. But lately, I am lucky to do 5 minutes. I got stuff to do. 

[Breakingthewall]

22 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Meditation is the wrong word to use, Sadhana is much better, its more specific in nature, it means Spiritual Practice or Technique/Method,

I don't think so, I'd say that the only thing that will lead you to totally open your barriers is the real meditation, and you don't need yoga for this, it's an action of you spirit, a movement that you do. You have to absolutely empty your mind and be alone in the immensity, without the help of any knowledge, guru, technique, absolutely nothing, only you and the cosmos, then be one , open your heart and your mind to this moment totally, without keep nothing, no hope, no other intention except open yourself, give yourself. 

[Ishanga]

5 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

Thanks guys for your responses. I see that there is a benefit for sitting meditation. I think I am just too active for it. I value being active. Life is short and I don’t want to spend it sitting in one place forever. That’s what prison is for. I want to see the world. I want to hike the Himalayas and go to England. I want to get into rock climbing and get into fit shape. I hardly ever do sitting meditation. I used to do it 20 minutes a day. But lately, I am lucky to do 5 minutes. I got stuff to do. 

This is true, certain ppl at certain stages of their life, via what is happening in the system, emotionally, hormonally, energetically etc, have a harder time doing certain things, this is general in nature, if Your physical energy is high (like it was for me when young, I was super hyperactive, couldn't sit still for a moment) then sitting still is very hard, but there is Sadhana for those types as well as the opposite types, that is why Sadhana is varied and the Guru can help determine what is required for that particular person and personalize it for them..

Balance is key, its not about sitting 24/7, that is not healthy for the most part, its about Balance.. Research if You already haven't the 8 Limb Yoga or Ashtanga Yoga, its lays it all out step by step how to do Sadhana and what comes first then second then so forth!!

[Javfly33]

 

29 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

if Your physical energy is high (like it was for me when young, I was super hyperactive, couldn't sit still for a moment) then sitting still is very hard, but there is Sadhana for those types as well as the opposite types, that is why Sadhana is varied

In that case I can not reccomend more Surya Kriya, just doing 3 sets of it requires a certain endurance of the body, to get to a place to do it where your legs are not trembling in certain states of the tension, requires important energy.

Additionally Surya Kriya has been more profound than Shamavhi for me and Is opening my heart in ways that can not describe, only inspire people. And saying that something is more profound that Shamavhi for me is to say a really Big thing. Maybe because Shamavhi is just straight up Kriya initiation, nobody knows where it goes, seems is 'just' an activation seed, to maintain energies as high as possible. Surya Kriya just seems a big door to the whole universe, I can´t express my gratitude enough to the teachers that have transmitted this in a serious atmosphere, without bullshit of beliefs or music or nothing like that. Just pure transmission of a technology from people that know this are serious devices to open big doors. 

As a side note after a Sadhana like this if one wishes to meditate is so much easier, since the body is very calm but mind is active. Is so easier to meditate once the body has been brought down to a certain level of easiness or eliminated excess energy. Then sitting and closing your eyes feels natural.

Edited Sunday at 01:43 AM by Javfly33

[M A J I]

12 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

It's Ms. There is no ego.

Is this what this forum has taught you to believe? I'll be around for a while

[Princess Arabia]

45 minutes ago, M A J I said:

Is this what this forum has taught you to believe? I'll be around for a while

If it was up to this forum, I'd be more delusional than I am already. There's only One, where is the ego. 

[cetus]

@r0ckyreed "Walking meditation, also known as kinhin, is a practice rooted in various forms of Buddhism, including both Theravada and Mahayana traditions. It involves periods of walking interspersed with sitting meditation, and practitioners typically walk in a specific posture and pace, often synchronizing their steps with their breath"

Search YT and you'll find some good sources. *Thich Nhat Hanh was known for promoting walking meditation.

 

[UnbornTao]

Do both!

[Ishanga]

11 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

 

In that case I can not reccomend more Surya Kriya, just doing 3 sets of it requires a certain endurance of the body, to get to a place to do it where your legs are not trembling in certain states of the tension, requires important energy.

Additionally Surya Kriya has been more profound than Shamavhi for me and Is opening my heart in ways that can not describe, only inspire people. And saying that something is more profound that Shamavhi for me is to say a really Big thing. Maybe because Shamavhi is just straight up Kriya initiation, nobody knows where it goes, seems is 'just' an activation seed, to maintain energies as high as possible. Surya Kriya just seems a big door to the whole universe, I can´t express my gratitude enough to the teachers that have transmitted this in a serious atmosphere, without bullshit of beliefs or music or nothing like that. Just pure transmission of a technology from people that know this are serious devices to open big doors. 

As a side note after a Sadhana like this if one wishes to meditate is so much easier, since the body is very calm but mind is active. Is so easier to meditate once the body has been brought down to a certain level of easiness or eliminated excess energy. Then sitting and closing your eyes feels natural.

Yes good Post!! It all about smoothing it out right, why make it a challenge and suffer thru it when You can Ease thru it and come to a higher Potential, which is unlimited mostly!!!

[Monomachus]

I'm with you r0cky. I'm not a fan of sitting meditation. Insights come more readily to me when I'm engaged in some kind of thoughtless task and walking has the same effect and what could be better than walking in nature / god?

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Monomachus said:

I'm with you r0cky. I'm not a fan of sitting meditation. Insights come more readily to me when I'm engaged in some kind of thoughtless task and walking has the same effect and what could be better than walking in nature / god?

whats better? Being Blissful of Your own nature naturally, no matter if Your in a prison cell or walking in a beautiful forest, Your Blissful, that is better than just walking in nature...

Nature walks alone won't get You to this place, sitting sadhana can for sure...!

Edited 13 hours ago by Ishanga

[r0ckyreed]

3 hours ago, Ishanga said:

whats better? Being Blissful of Your own nature naturally, no matter if Your in a prison cell or walking in a beautiful forest, Your Blissful, that is better than just walking in nature...

Nature walks alone won't get You to this place, sitting sadhana can for sure...!

I like how Owen Cook says it. He says that you can love yourself so much that you can sit and stare at a cave wall for many hours, and you can also love yourself so much that you don’t have to do that to prove anything either. He says that if you loved yourself fully, you wouldn’t confine yourself to such a limited state. He says you can meditate while working on your life purpose and doing chores.

Edited 9 hours ago by r0ckyreed