Vegans vs Meat eaters

[Majed]

I found this video to be quite interesting from a psychological standpoint. It's clear that vegans have a radically different philosophy from average people. A more empathetic, truthful view i would say. 

[Nivsch]

The justification of the animal industry with terms like "Cycle of life" is hilarious. Nothing in this industry has even a grain of similarity to nature. 

[BlueOak]

There is a radical shift psychologically toward a subject when something is food or not. 

[numbersinarow]

5 hours ago, Majed said:

 A more empathetic, truthful view i would say. 

Vegans tend to be psychopaths/sociopaths. Look at vegan gains or at one of the worst psychological abusers in human history, who I won't be naming directly here.

And nothing could be less truthful than convincing yourself you're morally superior despite not making an actual difference, while justifying your completely emotional decision with faux reasoning. The only way it could be different is if we had an objective holy book which told "thou shall be vegan."

[gambler]

I’m saying if I was severely mentally impaired, I don’t see a problem with another creature, like a highly evolved lion, ethically putting me out of my misery and making good use of my body. Giving back to the world that gave me life is a proper gift to give. Only problem is it wouldn’t be a dignified way to go out and family would have a problem. But if that wasn’t the case, I don’t see an issue. This whole anti eating animals seems exaggerated to me. 

Edited yesterday at 12:17 PM by gambler

[Jannes]

1 hour ago, numbersinarow said:

Vegans tend to be psychopaths/sociopaths. Look at vegan gains or at one of the worst psychological abusers in human history, who I won't be naming directly here.

Lol you cherry pick so hard it's laughable. 

1 hour ago, numbersinarow said:

And nothing could be less truthful than convincing yourself you're morally superior despite not making an actual difference, while justifying your completely emotional decision with faux reasoning. The only way it could be different is if we had an objective holy book which told "thou shall be vegan."

On average eating vegan causes less harm to the environment and animals. Of course people shouldn't make an identity out of that/ feel morally superior because of it. 

[PurpleTree]

The suffering of factory farmed animals is very cruel and sad.

I’ve seen a report recently of even "organic" factory farmed animals which looked so miserable.

I have a buddy who is learning hunting which is a quite long process with school etc here. Maybe that’s the way.

[Emerald]

8 hours ago, Majed said:

I found this video to be quite interesting from a psychological standpoint. It's clear that vegans have a radically different philosophy from average people. A more empathetic, truthful view i would say. 

Actually, I don't think that Vegans have a radically different philosophy than most people do.

Most people like animals and don't want animals to suffer unnecessarily.

My guess is that over half of non-Vegans have Vegan values. They just don't live by them, and (as a result) have lots of cognitive dissonance around their consumption of animals and animal products. 

That was how I was before I went Vegan. And when I went Vegan, the most difficult thing was facing into that cognitive dissonance and becoming conscious of how I'd been living out of alignment with my own values for 27 years.

But this is also what's uncomfortable about interacting with a lot of non-Vegans when they suddenly find out that you're Vegan (especially if they suddenly find out you're Vegan when you're eating a meal with them). 

Here's a scenario that always makes me squirm in my seat...

I'll be out at a restaurant with someone who doesn't yet know that I'm Vegan, and I'll tell the server that I'm Vegan so that they don't add non-Vegan ingredients.

And then, after the server leaves, the non-Vegan that I'm with will start explaining themselves like they're on trial. And they'll start giving me justifications as to why they're not Vegan... or that how they tried it before and it didn't work for them.

But I'm genuinely not judging them.

In fact, if someone doesn't have Vegan values and is just like "I'm fine with eating meat and dairy because I genuinely don't care about reducing the suffering of animals." I tend to respect it a bit more because they're being honest with themselves and living in alignment with their values.

But because these non-Vegans with Vegan values are judging themselves for living out of alignment with their own values, they'll feel like I'm judging them... when it's just themselves judging them.

[Schizophonia]

13 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Most people like animals and don't want animals to suffer unnecessarily.

No they don't and it doesn't make any sense anyway

This is actually a narcissistic tendency, people who "love animals" see too much of their own unaccepted bullshit (because of narcissism) through other humans and therefore need another mirror humanoid enough to arouse empathy, but not too much so as not to reflect what they don't like about themselves; it's basically the same mechanism that constitutes sexual kinks.

1) When someone says they love "animals", they mean "a handful of animals that are humanoid enough and domesticated long enough not to be hostile towards humans.

No one is going to be friends with a giraffe or a praying mint.

2) While a dog, cat or pet can be cool, you'll never have as deep a relationship with pets as you would with a human.

Then obviously, as we are in a society of comfort, with increasing exposure to endocrine disruptors, to delusional subversive ideologies etc. people are now for many too sensitive to kill an animal, it disturbs their ego too much.
Not only killing an animal, people are more fragile in general in developed countries.

31 minutes ago, Emerald said:

 

But because these non-Vegans with Vegan values are judging themselves for living out of alignment with their own values, they'll feel like I'm judging them... when it's just themselves judging them.

 

Above all, they should accept what their limbic system demands, the primal truth that has sculpted their DNA over hundreds of thousands of years, rather than letting it intimidate them, make them feel guilty by a form of instilled mental slavery, an ideological virus infiltrated into the collective unconscious for some reason.

[Schizophonia]

4 hours ago, numbersinarow said:

Vegans tend to be psychopaths/sociopaths. Look at vegan gains or at one of the worst psychological abusers in human history, who I won't be naming directly here.

No it's the opposite, they are anxious people and they calm they anxiety through identification with the father, with authority. It is a fixation on this defense mechanism developed during the phallic stage of psycho-sexual development due to poor development of the Oedipal complex.

Vegans, liberals, religious people, all "idealists" in general are often unpleasant because they are narcissistic, they like to "embody good" to unconsciously be recognized by the father and calm the anxiety of castration ; The pleasure comes from the feeling of power obtained in this configuration, it is not a coincidence that people stop being vegan or similar behaviors when they are under high doses of benzodiazepines or similar compounds (alcohol, phenibut ...), all idealism, all limits, are in fact learned by social pressure and therefore experiences with peers and especially parents at an early age. Even incest is learned, it is not naturally disgusting, you had learned this prohibition and you have integrated it to the point where it is no longer a possibility at all (well I hope, normally lol).

This does not mean that all vegans have a psyche organized like this, ofc.

Edited 21 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

I know i'm close to the truth when people have nothing else to whining "autistic thinking"

Edited 21 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Majed]

This is a cool insight:

For human animals to maintain their illusion and exploitation of non human animals, they have to justify it using the fact that non human animals don't speak their language, when in fact most human animals in the world do not speak the same language.

[Romanov]

I’ll stick to eating meat so that the vegans can have more plants left over from less animals eating them. 

[Nivsch]

5 hours ago, Emerald said:

Actually, I don't think that Vegans have a radically different philosophy than most people do.

Most people like animals and don't want animals to suffer unnecessarily.

I agree but it is true in the subconscious level. There are many layers of social conditioning above it that block people from realizing that.

Edited 17 hours ago by Nivsch

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Romanov said:

I’ll stick to eating meat so that the vegans can have more plants left over from less animals eating them. 

Actually, livestock consume between 60% and 80% of the crops human beings grow, depending on the region.

So, if you really want to save plants for the Vegans... then stop giving money to companies that breed millions of very large plant-eating animals into existence for human consumption.

For every 1 lb of beef that's produced, it requires 16 lbs of grain to be grown and fed to cows.

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

I agree but it is true in the subconscious level. There are many layers of social conditioning above it that block people from realizing that.

That's definitely true. It was true for me too.

[AION]

Life consumes life to stay alive. There is no way around the snake eating its own tail.

Edited 15 hours ago by AION

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

For every 1 lb of beef that's produced, it requires 16 lbs of grain to be grown and fed to cows.

Yea but grain isn’t delicious. 
 

So 16 (of whatever weird american unit way to measure weight)

makes 1 of delish.

[Emerald]

49 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea but grain isn’t delicious. 

So 16 (of whatever weird american unit way to measure weight)

makes 1 of delish.

Is it part of your value system to prioritize your own momentary pleasure over the life of another?

If so, how do you feel about the fact that you hold that value?

[PurpleTree]

6 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Is it part of your value system to prioritize your own momentary pleasure over the life of another?

If so, how do you feel about the fact that you hold that value?

Well it depends how i look at it.

I can look at it from many different angles. Generally it’s sad to see these animals suffer.

But i’m hoping for lab meat soon.