New school shooting in Wisconsin

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On 12/17/2024 at 5:19 AM, zazen said:

Has anyone here seen Joker 2? I just saw it this past weekend, and with recent incidents such as Luigi's CEO assassination and now this - it made me think of the parallels. The connection here is that there is pain being dealt with in the wrong way. Their acting out like Joker when they could have or should have been Batman. All, including Batman - essentially view the system as unjust - but Batman and Joker diverge in their paths to redressing that injustice. People empathise not because they condone violence, but understand the pain it can come from.

A Joker destroys, because he no longer sees the soul at all. He rejects society because he feels like society rejected him - didn't see him or nurture his soul enough to allow him to connect with it, so that he could connect likewise with the soul in others. Batman was given a love that was taken from him by violence, spawned from a system of unjust crime and corruption - Joker was never loved at all. Batman had hope for society because he once had love.

Without giving spoilers - Joker 1 was about the conditions that twist the individual (Joker), Joker 2 is about finding that others have also been twisted by that same system - and finding a solidarity in that ie revolutionary rage. But, they deal with the pain in the same cold manner of the system that caused it - not seeing the person behind it. People didn't love or see the man behind the mask of Joker, they were in solidarity with the pain, but not the man behind it.

Luigi had more tools than most to be a Batman - wealth, access,  intellect (not intelligence or wisdom) - but chose the path of a Joker.

But he had love so that throws out your theory.

So when you get fucked by society what makes you the Joker or the Pengujn vs Batman?

The bigger question is - is there a difference between them?   Batman became a vigilante if you don't recall.