New school shooting in Wisconsin

[Inliytened1]

On 12/17/2024 at 5:19 AM, zazen said:

Has anyone here seen Joker 2? I just saw it this past weekend, and with recent incidents such as Luigi's CEO assassination and now this - it made me think of the parallels. The connection here is that there is pain being dealt with in the wrong way. Their acting out like Joker when they could have or should have been Batman. All, including Batman - essentially view the system as unjust - but Batman and Joker diverge in their paths to redressing that injustice. People empathise not because they condone violence, but understand the pain it can come from.

A Joker destroys, because he no longer sees the soul at all. He rejects society because he feels like society rejected him - didn't see him or nurture his soul enough to allow him to connect with it, so that he could connect likewise with the soul in others. Batman was given a love that was taken from him by violence, spawned from a system of unjust crime and corruption - Joker was never loved at all. Batman had hope for society because he once had love.

Without giving spoilers - Joker 1 was about the conditions that twist the individual (Joker), Joker 2 is about finding that others have also been twisted by that same system - and finding a solidarity in that ie revolutionary rage. But, they deal with the pain in the same cold manner of the system that caused it - not seeing the person behind it. People didn't love or see the man behind the mask of Joker, they were in solidarity with the pain, but not the man behind it.

Luigi had more tools than most to be a Batman - wealth, access,  intellect (not intelligence or wisdom) - but chose the path of a Joker.

But he had love so that throws out your theory.

So when you get fucked by society what makes you the Joker or the Penguin vs Batman?  Batman's parents were killed when he was a child.

The bigger question is - is there a difference between them?   Batman was a vigilante if you don't recall.

Edited Thursday at 01:11 PM by Inliytened1

[integral]

She stated in the manifesto she wants all males to die… OK… then maybe kill Andrew Tate? Seems like a solid candidate? He’s the leader of toxic masculinity, the perfect target!

A school feels like the least interesting or appealing thing to target? How can that possibly satisfy you? 

How can these people be satisfied with such a mediocre target?

Have a bigger dream?

Edited Thursday at 05:00 AM by integral

[integral]

Can someone explain to me why a school is appealing to their fantasy? 

[aurum]

6 minutes ago, integral said:

Can someone explain to me why a school is appealing to their fantasy? 

She was obviously not mentally well.

I'm not sure why'd you expect some thorough, well-thought out plan.

[integral]

They just want their anger and hatred  fulfilled without doing any real work to get it because they have no energy and want to die as quickly as possible. There so miserable, they can barely breathe air, life is unbearably uncomfortable..

Edited Thursday at 05:20 AM by integral

[integral]

14 minutes ago, aurum said:

She was obviously not mentally well.

I'm not sure why'd you expect some thorough, well-thought out plan.

The Trump shooter seemed to be able to dream bigger?

[aurum]

38 minutes ago, integral said:

The Trump shooter seemed to be able to dream bigger?

That can't be expected of everyone.

She was a teenager with mental health issues, not John Wick.

[Leo Gura]

16 hours ago, Basman said:

Because she's insane.

She's not insane, just disgruntled and radicalized.

12 hours ago, yetineti said:

@Leo Gura
I hope you find a way to reframe however it is you’re trying to make your points.

I don't see a problem with what I said.

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I know the place this shooting happened. The idea that ‘if I’ - whatever - there will be less shootings? Ha - what a rude joke Leo.

It's not a joke. Bullying creates violent people. This is obvious.

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why haven’t you considered the way you phrase things yet?

I have considered it more than you know.

Edited Thursday at 09:29 AM by Leo Gura

[Basman]

8 hours ago, integral said:

She stated in the manifesto she wants all males to die… OK… then maybe kill Andrew Tate? Seems like a solid candidate? He’s the leader of toxic masculinity, the perfect target!

A school feels like the least interesting or appealing thing to target? How can that possibly satisfy you? 

How can these people be satisfied with such a mediocre target?

Have a bigger dream?

Its a form of lashing out due to bullying. There's no real grand plan.

If you have a grand plan you don't throw yourself into the meat grinder in a loud and bombastic way. You recruit others to throw their lives away and/or use bombs.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Basman said:

Its a form of lashing out due to bullying. There's no real grand plan.

If you have a grand plan you don't throw yourself into the meat grinder in a loud and bombastic way. You recruit others to throw their lives away and/or use bombs.

Exactly.  There wasn't a plan here.  There was a helpless feeling of suffering and self deception.  She stated that she wanted to commit suicide already right?  But this was a way of going out that made more of a bang.  It was selfishness but also it was lack of love and communication.  Had this person received the proper guidance, love, and tutelage then she probably wouldn't have committed suicide in this manner and took others out with her.  Suicide happens every day it's just then when they decide to take others with them it becomes a big story.

Edited Thursday at 01:16 PM by Inliytened1

[yetineti]

@Leo Gura I’m not saying I don’t understand why the shooter did it or that we shouldn’t address the underlying reasons like bullying or isolation. You are explaining the obvious.

But the way you’re phrasing this shifts the responsibility entirely away from the shooter and onto others in a way that seems more offhand than serious.

Comments like ‘guys like you’ or focusing on paying attention to a manifesto don’t add much—they come off as ineffective and distract from the real cause of the harm.

If we’re going to have a meaningful conversation, it has to focus on accountability and constructive solutions, not these kinds of vague, profound-sounding remarks.

 

Edited Thursday at 03:28 PM by yetineti

[PurpleTree]

I wonder if she was on medication. SSRI, Benzos etc.

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I wonder if she was on medication. SSRI, Benzos etc.

Maybe if she had been this wouldn't have happened.  I hope you aren't labeling a negative connotation to antidepressants.

[Basman]

I think school shootings as a concept proliferates itself culturally within the US. Bullying isn't unique to America but school shootings are. 

It reminds me of those African tribes that lived in peace until they learned of the concept of war. Then they started wiping each other out. They literally didn't know that violence was an option until someone told them. Considering that school shootings didn't happen till the 90s yet guns being ubiquitious long before makes me think something similair is happening in the US.

Gun control will be a cornerstone of combating mass shootings like this.

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Maybe if she had been this wouldn't have happened.  I hope you aren't labeling a negative connotation to antidepressants.

Yes i do. Many of those American shooters have been on "antidepressants" or so i heard. America is over medicated and probably the most violent country in the West.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

The perpetrator's Telegram profile contained images of old German National Socialists, as well as school shooters of the past. 

The person in the third photo is 18 year-old Timur Bekmansurov wields a Huglu Atrox T 12-gauge pump action shotgun during his school shooting at Perm State University, Russia.

Edited Thursday at 04:49 PM by Husseinisdoingfine

[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Yes i do. Many of those American shooters have been on "antidepressants" or so i heard. America is over medicated and probably the most violent country in the West.

Please tell him. We trust our doctors too much in this country to be giving us the proper care and guide. Many addictive pill poppers first got their pills from a doctor. Not saying don't treat, but for goodness sake let's treat where proper healing takes place and not just create other problems.

Edited Thursday at 04:51 PM by Princess Arabia

[Husseinisdoingfine]

The following can be derived from Rupnow's (alleged) manifesto:

• She loved to blame everyone except herself. Rupnow clearly blames almost everyone around her for her poor mental state and attributes the shooting to her "inner hatred", brought on by her disdain for humanity in general and how she felt alienated from her peers.

("Humanity is filth… I don't want to live in it.")

("It's not even my fault: It has to be theirs and not mine."

("It's pure idiocy from people to cause this.")

• Rupnow was an extremely racist and intolerant person. Many quotes back this one up: I'll write down just a few to give those who aren't going to read the full manifesto a basic idea of it's contents.

("BIPOCs though, worse: Once you sleep with one, you are one.")

("You will always have no thought and no brain to continue with.")

("Whores and scum are the things I hate the most…. Your parents should be hanged in front of everyone.")

("N*ggers though, WORSE, once you sleep with one you are one.")

• Rupnow was deeply self-centered and misanthropic, holding a deep disdain towards her peers.

("I hate seeing people on a daily basis… Gives me another reason to take off my glasses.")

("I am not like the others: I would never want to be like them, with how they think and what they do on a simple day.")

("I am a part of the real thought and the real revolution.")

Edited Thursday at 05:01 PM by Husseinisdoingfine

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Please tell him. We trust our doctors too much in this country to be giving us the proper care and guide. Many addictive pill poppers first got their pills from a doctor. Not saying don't treat, but for goodness sake ley's treat where proper healing takes place and not just create other problems.

Yea and i’m not saying anti depressants aren’t helping some people a lot. But for some people they can make reality shakey and lower inhibition. I tried it myself but had to stop them when i made the drivers license because i was scared that i could just easily run somebody over with almost no f’s given.

Edited Thursday at 04:55 PM by PurpleTree

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea and i’m not saying aren’t anti depressants help some people a lot. But for some people they can make reality shakey and lower inhibition. I tried it myself but had to stop them when i made the drivers license because i was scared that i could just easily run somebody over with almost no f’s given.

We're not addressing the root cause of the problems, only the symptoms. The society creates the problems, then we try to solve the problems with the same mindset. Don't vape, don't smoke don't drink, don't pop pills.....well who the hell is providing this shit. The same people profiting from this shit. Then we wonder why we're insane.