The painful reality of beautiful women 😔

[Princess Arabia]

9 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Some cleavage doesn't necessarily conveys wanting to seduce men imo. Women can dress sexy for themselves 

Men are so clueless. They think women only exist for them. They take femininity as trying to seduce. If they wear a suit and tie, women don't go around saying men are trying to seduce. We can't even dress in peace without them thinking we're trying to seduce. 

[Princess Arabia]

Check this out. He says beautiful women are a disappointment. But it's not their fault. It's that men think beauty will make them feel better in a cruel world only to be disappointed when that beautiful woman didn't change anything for them. They think it's the missing link.

[eos_nyxia]

7 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

I had a too beautiful girlfriend years ago and she would complain about being beautiful.  She was just divorced and working in a temp agency.  She couldn’t keep a job because the women were jealous of her and would get her fired.  She eventually took a job in a daycare center to avoid men.   Strange men would follow her home in their cars and knock on her door.  

I guess it depends on what your 'beauty features' are, but this is what I've found works.

At work:

1. Dress as androgynously as possible without looking sloppy. If you have curves, make sure you disguise them. Don't wear clothes that are too tight but also don't wear clothes which are too baggy; it just makes it more obvious. Don't wear turtlenecks if you have boobs lol.
2. Don't wear makeup, or keep it to a bare minimum. Don't do too much with your hair. In general, don't be flashy with anything. If you have a face that is considered conventionally attractive enough, people still might think you're pretty without makeup, but you'll be less threatening.
3. In the presence of women, either ignore the men entirely or do the bare minimum of politeness, especially if someone's partner or someone they're interested in is there. Make it clear that you're not competing and not interested in it.

If you're outside:

1. Resting bitch face goes a long way. Wear a resting bitch face so much that you start to wonder if this is, actually, in fact, just your normal expression.
2. Dress eccentrically. I don't mean like "manic pixie dreamgirl" quirky cute, I mean like "old bag lady that collects 200-year-old musty books and also cats" eccentric. Confuse people with your outfit so they don't get distracted by your face.
3. Look expensive, as it will make you look significantly less approachable. Best paired with a resting bitch face and an attitude. Though this might backfire and you'll get another type of guy you probably don't want...
4. As lame as this is (because lots of men do not take a woman's "no" or lack of interest seriously) -- have a man with you who looks like he doesn't take shit. Or better yet, go move to a city where no one approaches strangers.

If you think this all sounds like a massive pain in the ass, you are correct. It is.
Someone might STILL hate you anyway.

[eos_nyxia]

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When we would go out to a restaurant it was like being a celebrity, everyone was look at us.   The experience made me realize their psychology and why beautiful women put up defenses.

My overall impression is that people don't want to hear you talk about it, even if it's a human experience that needs to be processed and made sense of just like any other. Also, there is a stupid taboo against calling yourself beautiful, even if it's other people who decided that you were in the first place. They want the power to build you up and rip you down at their discretion. You used to see a similar type of behaviour in tabloid magazines in the 2000s with people crucifying female celebrities and pop stars. The paps were like wolves back then.

Like shut up, be pretty, and be of use to other people. But surely anyone with any sense and experience sees how disposable they are.

From my perspective -- I don't make money or receive other material benefits from my appearance, so I don't see why I ought to be grateful for it, just because it's something other people covet and I myself used to covet. If all I wanted was the simple validation of being affirmed constantly, that wore off a long time ago. I grew up, I got older, and the attention hasn't stopped. But I don't have a hole in me that needs constant filling with the attention and approval of strangers and acquaintances for any reason at all. I'm quite whole enough, thank you.

Sure, I have the human desire to be seen, admired, and appreciated, even for my looks. Within reason though.

People project onto you a lot, especially some men.  They think that just because THEY would milk it for all it's worth that all (i.e. to use it like a weapon or in a sociopathic way) therefore most women would. I have never seen evidence of this being truth.

As far as I'm concerned, other people made these rules, not me, They have their complexes about it, and sometimes I've had my own. Sometimes there is no overlap.

Edited Monday at 06:24 AM by eos_nyxia

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I dislike Teal Swan.

However - this encapsulates my experience very well.

Almost all points apply to me.

The struggle to be seen is the biggest challenge I have faced in life, on a personal level.

My truest long-term sexual relationships with men have all been through equal mastery of a shared task.

My appearance did not come into play until meeting in these situations. And even then, these men could see my spirit and soul first & foremost.

Where I was able to reveal who I was, before I was visually perceived.

My experience. 

 

[thinkingmonkey3]

@Princess Arabia

We understand that financial stability is important; however, we are disappointed to observe a decline in the value placed by many women on choosing partners based on their true essence. Qualities such as being a dedicated meditator or having deep knowledge of psychedelics often seem undervalued. Instead, there appears to be a preference for partners like Grant Cardone😂

 

[Schizophonia]

14 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Lmao you're so incredibly smart and funny, the edit of my comment, took me a sec to see

Don't see what you're talking about.

 

[Schizophonia]

6 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Check this out. He says beautiful women are a disappointment. But it's not their fault. It's that men think beauty will make them feel better in a cruel world only to be disappointed when that beautiful woman didn't change anything for them. They think it's the missing link.

I see very pretty girls who are kind and intelligent all the time, and elephant seals with unpleasant behavior.

Edited Monday at 12:22 PM by Schizophonia

[Basman]

6 hours ago, eos_nyxia said:

I guess it depends on what your 'beauty features' are, but this is what I've found works.

At work:

1. Dress as androgynously as possible without looking sloppy. If you have curves, make sure you disguise them. Don't wear clothes that are too tight but also don't wear clothes which are too baggy; it just makes it more obvious. Don't wear turtlenecks if you have boobs lol.
2. Don't wear makeup, or keep it to a bare minimum. Don't do too much with your hair. In general, don't be flashy with anything. If you have a face that is considered conventionally attractive enough, people still might think you're pretty without makeup, but you'll be less threatening.
3. In the presence of women, either ignore the men entirely or do the bare minimum of politeness, especially if someone's partner or someone they're interested in is there. Make it clear that you're not competing and not interested in it.

If you're outside:

1. Resting bitch face goes a long way. Wear a resting bitch face so much that you start to wonder if this is, actually, in fact, just your normal expression.
2. Dress eccentrically. I don't mean like "manic pixie dreamgirl" quirky cute, I mean like "old bag lady that collects 200-year-old musty books and also cats" eccentric. Confuse people with your outfit so they don't get distracted by your face.
3. Look expensive, as it will make you look significantly less approachable. Best paired with a resting bitch face and an attitude. Though this might backfire and you'll get another type of guy you probably don't want...
4. As lame as this is (because lots of men do not take a woman's "no" or lack of interest seriously) -- have a man with you who looks like he doesn't take shit. Or better yet, go move to a city where no one approaches strangers.

If you think this all sounds like a massive pain in the ass, you are correct. It is.
Someone might STILL hate you anyway.

That's so oppressive though. Don't desire to just dress authentically?

Its a shame to hear beauty being squandered like that.

[Sugarcoat]

7 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Men are so clueless. They think women only exist for them. They take femininity as trying to seduce. If they wear a suit and tie, women don't go around saying men are trying to seduce. We can't even dress in peace without them thinking we're trying to seduce. 

As I said before , beauty for women is like an end in itself, so often women just feel good when they feel hot , for themselves 

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

Don't see what you're talking about.

 

Heh

[RendHeaven]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

I see very pretty girls who are kind and intelligent all the time, and elephant seals with unpleasant behavior.

You win comment of the week LOL

I'll up the ante and say that pretty girls are always kind, and elephant seals are always unpleasant.

As far as I can tell.

[RendHeaven]

18 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Maybe i'm wrong but it seems to me he has said somewhere he likes rather asian women.

 

Good thing I'm here to defend the white race lol.

Yes he has said this.

 

I'm afraid I'm team Leo so this is gonna be a 2v1 bro

[Buck Edwards]

1 hour ago, RendHeaven said:

Yes he has said this.

 

I'm afraid I'm team Leo so this is gonna be a 2v1 bro

Isn't it a bit racist to say that Asian girls are pretty if you're Asian yourself?

[Schizophonia]

10 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Men are so clueless. They think women only exist for them. They take femininity as trying to seduce. If they wear a suit and tie, women don't go around saying men are trying to seduce. We can't even dress in peace without them thinking we're trying to seduce. 

The suit is also intended to seduce, not necessarily women but also in a professional context. In the collective unconscious, suits and ties are phallic symbols that give an impression of power, competence, involvement.

Women wear things that, as Lacan would say, create a "hole in the representation" like low-cut tops, long boots, and clothes in general that make men want to come and "fix the problem" (insert phallus); correct, dominate...

Dressing for yourself means nothing because if you only dress for "you" then you would wear the easiest things possible and you would end up naked in the summer and in a big down jacket and hat during the winter, and of course you would have no accessories.

You are motivated to be pleasant in the eyes of people and especially men but you are in denial.

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

As I said before , beauty for women is like an end in itself, so often women just feel good when they feel hot , for themselves 

No, you have this impression because you are in denial, women have bigger egos in general and that creates resistance, and resistance becomes a conscious subject. (Breathing is not a subject because it is so accepted that it is no longer projected).

Men assume going to the gym and watching their weight to get laid so it's not (or less) a subject.

It's like traumas, the more people (as often here lol) explain that they were traumatized the more they are in fact people who have little experience and exaggerate.
And you have conversely people who often do not whine, have a much more masculine behavior and you learn that they were tortured, that they saw drunk dad beat up mom, that they ended up homeless, or even simply that they are people who do difficult work, are sports athletes etc.

A little provocative digression

Edited Monday at 04:17 PM by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

You win comment of the week LOL

I'll up the ante and say that pretty girls are always kind, and elephant seals are always unpleasant.

As far as I can tell.

Yea, that's how you get so many barrels who act pseudo-pretentious.
Conversely, pretty girls who know it don't feel the need to protect themselves as much and are actually often easier to pick up.

[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

Yes he has said this.

 

I'm afraid I'm team Leo so this is gonna be a 2v1 bro

You have a problem homie.

[Sugarcoat]

16 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

The suit is also intended to seduce, not necessarily women but also in a professional context. In the collective unconscious, suits and ties are phallic symbols that give an impression of power, competence, involvement.

Women wear things that, as Lacan would say, create a "hole in the representation" like low-cut tops, long boots, and clothes in general that make men want to come and "fix the problem" (insert phallus); correct, dominate...

Dressing for yourself means nothing because if you only dress for "you" then you would wear the easiest things possible and you would end up naked in the summer and in a big down jacket and hat during the winter, and of course you would have no accessories.

You are motivated to be pleasant in the eyes of people and especially men but you are in denial.

No, you have this impression because you are in denial, women have bigger egos in general and that creates resistance, and resistance becomes a conscious subject. (Breathing is not a subject because it is so accepted that it is no longer projected).

Men assume going to the gym and watching their weight to get laid so it's not (or less) a subject.

It's like traumas, the more people (as often here lol) explain that they were traumatized the more they are in fact people who have little experience and exaggerate.
And you have conversely people who often do not whine, have a much more masculine behavior than those who "were traumatized and must purify themselves with psychedelics" and you learn that they were tortured, that they saw drunk dad beat up mom, that they ended up homeless, or even simply that they are people who do difficult work, are sports athletes etc.

A little provocative digression

I’m not denying that women can dress to look good in men’s eyes, it happens too depending on the context and it can make up a portion of a woman’s reason for making herself look pretty (in the eyes of men she would desire more specifically mostly).

 

But what I’m saying is that looks is so heavily valued in and of itself in women in the west, so women value looks as a quality in itself, they just like to look good. Ask a woman why she likes to feel hot and she might not be able to answer you. It’s so deeply engrained, it’s probably both stems from biology and societal conditioning. Simply existing and looking hot is something women derive pleasurable identity from. Then one could ask why doesn’t a woman do make up when she is alone in her room and only when she’s around other people, that’s a valid question. There are some women who try to make themselves beautiful 24/7, things such as plastic surgery and lash extensions that are more “permanent” have become very popular. So that shows some women do truly wanna look good 24/7 regardless of who sees them. But in those cases where she makes herself pretty only around others such as when going out to work or in the night, there are other factors that come into play such as wanting to look presentable in front of others. Also kind of the human identity exists in relation to others so she feels she needs to make herself look good around others to preserve a good self image in relation to others. Kinda hard to explain what I mean but yea 

[Princess Arabia]

46 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Dressing for yourself means nothing because if you only dress for "you" then you would wear the easiest things possible and you would end up naked in the summer and in a big down jacket and hat during the winter, and of course you would have no accessories.

Such narcissism. Like women evolve around you. Go somewhere with that. You have no clue about women if that's how you feel. Sure, sometimes women dress to try and impress the opposite sex, but for the most part they dress how they like to dress. Guys are usually thinking women are the same as them. Just because you might like to be naked and that feels more comfortable to you, doesn't mean women feel that way too. That's not really the point, men will harass women simply because they feel the woman has dressed a certain way for men's attention and it's his duty to acknowledge that. Men will go out of their way to say something to you only because they believe that's what we want, why we dressed a certain way. Like I said, it irks me that you as man have the audacity to say how a woman would dress if they were dressing for themselves.

You are clueless what it's like to feel feminine and to feel like a woman and to express that through our clothing. You guys see a woman with cleavage and automatically assume it's for you. The poor woman sometimes might just like that dress and because she has breasts, it will be cleavaged in that dress. Some women love high heels and wear them to feel feminine not to get some guys dick hard. Some wear short dresses because they have nice legs and like to show them off or they just look nice in them, but not necessarily to get fucked. I'll stop here.

Edited Monday at 04:37 PM by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

34 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Then one could ask why doesn’t a woman do make up when she is alone in her room and only when she’s around other people, that’s a valid question

No, it's not a valid question. Do most men shave if they're staying home that day. Do they wear their expensive jewelry in the house. If they're home for the day and don't plan to go out, do they put on cologne. Don't buy into these forms of narratives about why women are women. Make-up for women is like a nice shirt for a man, his alligator shoes and Rolex watch. Men love to talk about women and their make-up while loving to talk to women in their make-up.

See how much porn would they watch and how many playboy magazines they would buy without these made-up women. Go watch how many heads turn for that woman with the high heel, short skirt, 38DD cleavage and mascara. Don't pay these men no mind because it's the same one's jerking off to these fantasies. Go put Whoopi Goldberg in a porn movie and see how many men want to jerk off to that. Pamela Anderson is more like it with her made up face. 

Edited Monday at 04:51 PM by Princess Arabia