How to be like Osho?

[Ishanga]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

I'm not going to use any method, I just want to understand what is inside them, if there is falsehood in them, narcissism, lies. 

Anyway, so if Hitler's talks make you feel better, that means he's authentic? Many millions of people loved Hitler's hysterical talks and the healthy hatred of the Jew made them feel better. Does that mean Hitler is the real deal? I think Hitler was a mentally retarded drug addict, but that's just an opinion.

There is Hitler the Personality, the talking, the sharing of his philosophy and such, then there are the actions he did, the orders he gave and the result of that, so look at the latter, the action he did, the orders he gave and the result, not the talking.. Do the same with Sadhguru, Osho, and others, ignore the talking, look at the methods shared, what where their actions, what was the affect??  So far it looks like Sadhguru and Osho have had a much much greater positive empowering affect than Hitler, so there is s difference...it depends on what Your focused on, Your focused on the Personality, I'm focused on does the stuff work...

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

depends on what Your focused on, Your focused on the Personality, I'm focused on does the stuff work...

I'm not focused in the personality, I'm focused in the truth. I want to know what is the reality, not what works to improve my experience. I don't need that, I'm not so selfish, my experience is enough good, but I really want to understand those people, it's like an enigma 

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I'm not focused in the personality, I'm focused in the truth. I want to know what is the reality, not what works to improve my experience. I don't need that, I'm not so selfish, my experience is enough good, but I really want to understand those people, it's like an enigma 

this is more of a "YOU" problem than a Sadhguru problem, only YOU care...

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

this is more of a "YOU" problem than a Sadhguru problem, only YOU care...

It's not a problem, just a hobby. It's fascinating. Is he a fake? It's the possibility of knowing past lifes and those indian histories, or are just scam to be famous and venerated? The human nature friend. It's fascinating. 

 

[Ishanga]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

It's not a problem, just a hobby. It's fascinating. Is he a fake? It's the possibility of knowing past lifes and those indian histories, or are just scam to be famous and venerated? The human nature friend. It's fascinating. 

 

I think its fascinating too, and I think its possible all the Siddhi stuff, our human potential and capability is way more than what we are seeing generally in the world and what is promoted to us culturally as what our potential is, but I don't concern myself much with what his personal capabilities are, I think just witnessing what he did with Save Soil, what I saw of him when I was in his presence, and such says enough for me to say he has something going on that most do not have going on..so that is enough for me, and his methods work and are very effective for what there are there for!!

[Breakingthewall]

37 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I think its fascinating too, and I think its possible all the Siddhi stuff, our human potential and capability is way more than what we are seeing generally in the world and what is promoted to us culturally as what our potential is, but I don't concern myself much with what his personal capabilities are, I think just witnessing what he did with Save Soil, what I saw of him when I was in his presence, and such says enough for me to say he has something going on that most do not have going on..so that is enough for me, and his methods work and are very effective for what there are there for!!

He's a genius, no doubt, but by default I think that everything mystics say is made up, copied from one another, a business to gain fame, to be venerated, ego in its purest form. Now, maybe it is not like that.

The best thing is to have an empty mind in order to see directly, and study these people from a distance without believing in them. If you believe in what they say you are lost, your mind is chained, it is no longer free for direct perception. So as a defense I reject their claims, but that does not mean they are false, they are simply toxic to me.

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

He's a genius, no doubt, but by default I think that everything mystics say is made up, copied from one another, a business to gain fame, to be venerated, ego in its purest form. Now, maybe it is not like that.

The best thing is to have an empty mind in order to see directly, and study these people from a distance without believing in them. If you believe in what they say you are lost, your mind is chained, it is no longer free for direct perception. So as a defense I reject their claims, but that does not mean they are false, they are simply toxic to me.

Yes I can agree up to a point, I don't believe anything Sadhguru or Osho says, but I don't dis believe either, what is there to believe or disbelieve anyways, its just the personality playing a circus game by which they claim to be playing to have more ppl involved in raising Human Consciousness, the game or circus is just recruitment! Saying its toxic is a bit extreme, just look at it like watching a comedian or a good documentary on something, its either interesting to You or not... 

I learned long ago that when it comes to stuff like this You have to experience it for yourself, I've used his methods, they are very effective, that is all, the rest of this stuff is just stories, and I share his stuff here because I live in an Unconscious world and its troublesome to deal with, I would like to see it more conscious and he's the best source for this imo...

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

its just the personality playing a circus game

This point is very delicate. What you say implies that he's lying to spread the truth. Maybe it's a good strategy, because just the truth is empty, then I understand. 

He is creating a multi-coloured package, attractive but at the same time obviously false for anyone who wants to see, because pure truth is not expressible and is extremely unattractive for those who are attached to the ego. A transition phase is necessary and that is what Sadhguru gives.

What I have said is just a hypothesis, perhaps he really believes that there are 84 universes and eats mercury for breakfast, but he seems too focused and logical a guy for such things. Anyway, mercury? 

Edited Sunday at 05:40 PM by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Osho was legit in many senses, but what I mean is about real enlightenment or be just wise. Krishnamurti was the típical indian smart fake, very narcissist, Osho had soul, depth, energy, openess, but in my opinion he was límited, but who knows, maybe all humans of all times were límited and total enlightenment is impossible. 

Look for example sadhguru, his claims. He eats mercury, knows that there are 84 universes and his presence could do that this would be your last incarnation 😅. Everything with those gurus is ...let's say not very sure

Problem with enlightenment is it can't be taught, it can only be pointed at and nudged towards.

You don't know if they have it and they don't know if you have it.

One can only know oneself and the progress that one is making

I made big leaps under Osho no doubt

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

This point is very delicate. What you say implies that he's lying to spread the truth. Maybe it's a good strategy, because just the truth is empty, then I understand. 

He is creating a multi-coloured package, attractive but at the same time obviously false for anyone who wants to see, because pure truth is not expressible and is extremely unattractive for those who are attached to the ego. A transition phase is necessary and that is what Sadhguru gives.

What I have said is just a hypothesis, perhaps he really believes that there are 84 universes and eats mercury for breakfast, but he seems too focused and logical a guy for such things. Anyway, mercury? 

Truth is not in what he says okay, its not in the words, the circus, its in the Experience that can come about via his help, the Experience of a Higher Consciousness within, but he has to play the game, there is no lying or truth saying, its just marketing, he set it up this way to be socially more acceptable, in the beginning this was to make sure the Dylanalinga was completed, now it is to fix this broken world then needs so much fixing!!! So circus has to be done in this day and age, money has to be raised, online youtube has to be on going, circus circus circus