Question about short lasting psychedelics

[Leo Gura]

Deep tripping will unleash energies within you which you never even knew you had. All self-restraint and common sense will fly out the window. You won't be able to confine yourself to your bed or a room. You can get dangerous ideas and then act on them without your normal sober caution and better judgment. For example, you might get the idea to stab yourself in the eye with a pencil, just because.

Edited 9 hours ago by Leo Gura

[bazera]

@Leo Gura 

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Deep tripping will unleash energies within you which you never even knew you had. All self-restraint and common sense will fly out the window. You won't be able to confine yourself to your bed or a room. You can get dangerous ideas and then act on them without your normal sober caution and better judgment. For example, you might get the idea to stab yourself in the eye with a pencil, just because.

Have you done something like that? Not stabbing yourself, but something that you would never do sober.

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura yeah but not on pure substances like 5 meo dmt, 5 Meo malt

On 16.12.2024 at 4:48 AM, Leo Gura said:

It is essential if you do serious tripping. Otherwise you will eventually do something stupid. It's only a matter of time.

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, OBEler said:

yeah but not on pure substances like 5 meo dmt, 5 Meo malt

This is a dangerous and false idea.

The substance is irrelevant.

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, bazera said:

@Leo Gura 

Have you done something like that? Not stabbing yourself, but something that you would never do sober.

Yes

[Clarence]

@Leo Gura Thanks for the clarification.

31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

For example, you might get the idea to stab yourself in the eye with a pencil, just because.

That’s really intense. Does the deep tripping you’re talking about here refer to really high doses of psychedelics, such as 50+ mg of MALT or 5-MeO, or to something else? I’d like to know what you have in mind when you talk about serious tripping.

[bazera]

@Leo Gura So, even though you had taken some precautions, you still did some things? 

What do you think are the top dangers of psychedelics? Physically killing yourself? 

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Clarence said:

Does the deep tripping you’re talking about here refer to really high doses of psychedelics, such as 50+ mg of MALT or 5-MeO, or to something else? I’d like to know what you have in mind when you talk about serious tripping.

It can be any substance at high dose. High dose is relative to whatever is high for you.

10 minutes ago, bazera said:

@Leo Gura So, even though you had taken some precautions, you still did some things?

Yes.

If you trip deep enough, even basic precautions will not be enough to keep you safe.

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What do you think are the top dangers of psychedelics? Physically killing yourself? 

• Delusions and fantasies, mental unhingement
• A psychological addiction to escapism
• Physical injury
• Ruining your relationships, saying things to people you shouldn't say
• Disillusionment with material life

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura

[bazera]

@Leo Gura

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

• Delusions and fantasies, mental unhingement
• A psychological addiction to escapism
• Physical injury
• Ruining your relationships, saying things to people you shouldn't say
• Disillusionment with material life

If you are in a more genuine state from which you do those things (if you are), doesn't that make them more true in some sense?

So the situation here is that we don't want to do these things because we care about survival, and the survival force is so great that it just doesn't disappear after a trip, but during tripping you lose care for survival (temporarily).

[Leo Gura]

47 minutes ago, bazera said:

@Leo Gura

If you are in a more genuine state from which you do those things (if you are), doesn't that make them more true in some sense?

Delusions and fantasies are not more true. They can be very false.

Reckless behavior is also not necessarily aligned with truth or goodness.

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So the situation here is that we don't want to do these things because we care about survival, and the survival force is so great that it just doesn't disappear after a trip, but during tripping you lose care for survival (temporarily).

Yeah, but you always have to care about survival to some degree or you will enter a living hell.

You have to be very careful about how to go about transcending survival, as you could easily trap yourself. It's easy to fool yourself into thinking you are above survival when you really aren't. That's one of the biggest traps of psychedelics. They can make you feel invincible -- for a while. But then material reality catches up with you.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Clarence]

36 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It can be any substance at high dose. High dose is relative to whatever is high for you.

What I meant was between high/heavy doses and extremely high doses. For me, 25-30 mg is a heavy trip. I’ve never tripped above 35 mg and never got into such dangerous territory. So I would guess that those kinds of experiences could happen at even higher doses, such as 45-50+ mg (for me). But I could be wrong.

It would be quite a leap to go that high. 35 mg of MALT was extremely intense for me. I couldn’t tell the difference between past, present, real, and imaginary at all anymore, but also, I didn't retain much from this trip as I think at was too high. My clearest and most profound trips and awakenings happened at 25-30 mg.

[Leo Gura]

The higher the dose the higher the risk, obviously.

But it's not just high dose. It can also be re-dosing or how long or often you trip.

I've had times were I tripped for 12-24hrs in a row. That increases the danger. I've had times where I tripped for a month in row.

The danger gets exponential if you trip frequently and re-dose often.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Clarence]

@Leo Gura Will you teach us (maybe in the course) how to properly trip for 12-24 hours in a row?

Also, do you consider sharing with us details about your most dangerous experiences and other things you haven't yet talked about?

[shree]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

If you trip deep enough, even basic precautions will not be enough to keep you safe.

I often imagined building a small, soundproof room with padded walls, like in psychiatric wards, made for heavy trips.

There’s still a risk of doing something reckless, like poking your eye, but it would minimize harm and provide the feeling of safety when it gets deep.

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, shree said:

I often imagined building a small, soundproof room with padded walls, like in psychiatric wards, made for heavy trips.

There’s still a risk of doing something reckless, like poking your eye, but it would minimize harm and provide the feeling of safety when it gets deep.

You could turn a large closet into a tripping room.

[mmKay]

Make sure there is no mold hidden in the closet though