TYT is getting slammed by other progressive shows!

[Joel3102]

@Leo Gura In one of Destiny’s streams, he mentioned he had a nightmare that all his counterparts were all part of the YouTube game and it was all a joke, and he felt like such a loser for being sincere lmao. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Joel3102

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, Joel3102 said:

@Leo Gura In one of Destiny’s streams, he mentioned he had a nightmare that all his counterparts were all part of the YouTube game and it was all a joke, and he felt like such a loser for being sincere lmao. 

That's cause he chooses to conduct his business with media attention-whores and perverts.

Destiny could engage with more thoughtful people. There are many intelligent and mature people on YT. Like Vlad Vexler or Daniel Schmachtenberger or me. But the lack of drama wouldn't get the views and clicks that Destiny wants.

Destiny's own development is hampered by him fishing for drama and views. Higher consciousness discussions just can't get the same view counts as the clickbait drama that Destiny likes to get himself into. To go higher he'd have to outgrow that style of content and settle for less views and less fame. That's gonna be tough for him to stomach.

Destiny is stuck in a cycle of wrestling with pigs for clicks. It gets him lots of material success but his soul suffers for it. He is addicted to the YouTube game, like a fish in water.

If you want to seriously develop eventually you must surrender the temptation to wrestle with pigs.

Why do you think I don't do that kind of content?

Edited December 13, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Joel3102]

@Leo Gura Valid point, I can’t imagine how hard it’d be to leave that success on the table.  

I think you could have an awesome conversation with him.  You disagree more on metaphysics than politics do I reckon set up a conversation based on that 

[Jodistrict]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Exactly. In practice all these anti-mainstream people are just aiming to become the new elites without even realizing it.

Bashing elites is very convenient for those who want to take their place.

Just like the New Left was organized to oppose the Vietnam war, became the new elite and now support forever wars in Ukraine and the Middle East. 

The Who summarized this sentement perfectly:  “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Just like the New Left was organized to oppose the Vietnam war, became the new elite and now support forever wars in Ukraine and the Middle East.

The New Left is not in charge of the Defense Department, military planning, or the intelligence agencies. That's all run by many conservatives and centrists.

No one is going to let left-wing protestors run military policy. This is like giving a credit card to a heroin addict.

Edited December 13, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The New Left is not in charge of the Defense Department, military planning, or the intelligence agencies. That's all run by many conservatives.

I hope our country doesn’t have another 9/11 or enter into another forever war during these next 4 years.

Our country’s national security will be more vulnerable to foreign enemies than I can remember.

Edited December 13, 2024 by Hardkill

[Scholar]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

That's cause he chooses to conduct his business with media attention-whores and perverts.

Destiny could engage with more thoughtful people. There are many intelligent and mature people on YT. Like Vlad Vexler or Daniel Schmachtenberger or me. But the lack of drama wouldn't get the views and clicks that Destiny wants.

Destiny's own development is hampered by him fishing for drama and views. Higher consciousness discussions just can't get the same view counts as the clickbait drama that Destiny likes to get himself into. To go higher he'd have to outgrow that style of content and settle for less views and less fame. That's gonna be tough for him to stomach.

Destiny is stuck in a cycle of wrestling with pigs for clicks. It gets him lots of material success but his soul suffers for it. He is addicted to the YouTube game, like a fish in water.

If you want to seriously develop eventually you must surrender the temptation to wrestle with pigs.

Why do you think I don't do that kind of content?

What happened to the conversation that you wanted to have with him? I'm assuming it was cancelled.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Scholar said:

What happened to the conversation that you wanted to have with him? I'm assuming it was cancelled.

He never followed up to set it up.

I'll keep trying. Maybe he will.

Edited December 13, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Joel3102 said:

@Leo Gura In one of Destiny’s streams, he mentioned he had a nightmare that all his counterparts were all part of the YouTube game and it was all a joke, and he felt like such a loser for being sincere lmao. 

He’s been caught lying multiple times, and constantly makes absurd strawmen even his own side doesn’t agree with. Describing him as sincere is laughable. 

[Scholar]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

He’s been caught lying multiple times, and constantly makes absurd strawmen even his own side doesn’t agree with. Describing him as sincere is laughable. 

Like what?

[BlueOak]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Because my concern is to help you avoid getting your mind stuck at Green.

I don't want you to become the next Cenk/Ana/Hasan.

I'm not really interested in politics. I'm interested in taking your mind to higher levels of understanding. So I have a very different agenda than anyone in the political domain.

As much as I comment on politics my work is not political. That's why it's powerful.

Fair point. On an individual level. On a collectively level though:

Am I misguided to think not everyone is capable of this? And so to some, this is exactly where they are meant to be for this lifetime, or with the right conditions can anyone progress past green? If people cannot, then the energy they have would be better integrated and put to purpose rather than resisted and pushed into opposition. I understand some of that purpose is to highlight it as simplistic, while the rest is a collective drive for the change to occur. 

I am well aware of all the problems with relying on a moral compass that is imaginary, and how far into fantasy it can take us. I don't even need to see another tyt video to understand that's half of the message.

 

Edited December 13, 2024 by BlueOak

[Raze]

5 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Like what?

I will see if I can make a full thread with links to prove the examples 

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Fair point. On an individual level. On a collectively level though:

Am I misguided to think not everyone is capable of this? And so to some, this is exactly where they are meant to be for this lifetime, or with the right conditions can anyone progress past green?

Obviously most people will not move beyond Green for all sorts of pragmatic reasons. But everything I speak about assumes you are aiming beyond Green. So my speech is biased in that regard. I am not speaking to the average Joe.

If you wanna talk about the best political strategy for the average Joe, that's a very different thing from the stuff I talk about or even care about. But obviously that strategy talk is needed too. It's just not my area of interest.

Edited December 13, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Bobby_2021]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The best example of how to do centrism correctly is Destiny. He has the best political analysis of anyone on the left.

Destiny has been justifying Israel's brutal genocide.

Sam Harris has been pretty oblivious to this too.

[BlueOak]

@Leo Gura
Understood, I'll keep that in mind in my posts and apologise for any flak i've sent your way in previous posts.

Now I just need that for yellow lol :D, some way to get off models, patterns, and out of my head more.

[Bobby_2021]

Let's take free healthcare for example as progressive politics.

I can give you examples of relatively lesser developed places in the world that had government supported free healthcare care to great results. 

If they can do free healthcare why is US being supposedly highly developed relatively unable to do so?

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Obviously most people will not move beyond Green for all sorts of pragmatic reasons. But everything I speak about assumes you are aiming beyond Green. So my speech is biased in that regard. I am not speaking to the average Joe.

If you wanna talk about the best political strategy for the average Joe, that's a very different thing from the stuff I talk about or even care about. But obviously that strategy talk is needed too. It's just not my area of interest.

With all due respect, so much for your take that Ana was moving on to stage Yellow. 

Even though she claims to no longer be a part of "the Left" and still believes in all reasonable progressive policies, she is still bitching a lot about the Democratic party never being good enough, still has very unrealistic ideas about how to replace the whole system, and naively believes that there's a real shot that progressives and MAGA can work together to take down the whole establishment. She's still no different than Cenk.

I am certainly not at full stage Yellow myself, but as far as I am concerned, I don't see how she will ever develop into a true stage Yellow individual anytime soon.

Edited December 13, 2024 by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Hardkill said:

With all due respect, so much for your take that Ana was moving on to stage Yellow.

I anticipated this possibility, which is why I qualified my blog post about Anna going Yellow with a remark about horseshoe theory. I was concerned that it might turn into some horseshoe nonsense. I was being charitable to her. I try to be nice to these people but they disappointment all the time.

This anti-establishment stuff is getting really stupid. TYT has rotted her mind.

Edited December 13, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

42 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I anticipated this possibility, which is why I qualified my blog post about Anna going Yellow with a remark about horseshoe theory. I was concerned that it might turn into some horseshoe nonsense. I was being charitable to her. I try to be nice to these people but they disappointment all the time.

This anti-establishment stuff is getting really stupid. TYT has rotted her mind.

Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot about that qualification you made in that post.

Yeah, I figured she would more likely do the fringe horseshoe way, which is what Cenk has also been doing for years. Both them mistakenly believe that both the "left wing populists and right wing populists will be able to take on the establishment together."

[Hardkill]

Even Roland Martin, a liberal Democrat who I like because of his no-nonsense takes on politics, mentioned how delusional TYT's latest strategy of trying to work together with the MAGA "populists" is:

 

Edited December 17, 2024 by Hardkill