Are you a Man-Child? (this hits hard)

[koops]

[EternalForest]

I'd rather be a dreamy "puer" and enjoy life than be a miserable old man with no imagination who's angry at the entire world, which is realistically the end result of someone who views everything through the lens of pure pragmatism. It's also a two way street. Although greatness oftentimes occurs in the process of creation, great ideas motivate great work. I guarantee you if they had the idea for a Game of Thrones or The Legend of Zelda in their head, even the laziest puer would be working on it day and night. Yet if they lived in pure pragmatism, they wouldn't even see themselves as having the potential to create such a thing. In other words, even if they had an idea so great, they wouldn't have the sense of wonder or freedom to recognize it.

[RightHand]

Make it a mission to nurture and develop your Curiosity and you'll transcend this model

[numbersinarow]

Just bluepilldom.

[RightHand]

55 minutes ago, numbersinarow said:

Just bluepilldom.

Now that you say it..

[AION]

The inner child is an archetype we shouldn't overcompensate or under-compensate but integrate it and give its rightful place. Otherwise your inner child will always sabotage you, terrorize you and fuck your life up.

[QandC]

I'm a man-baby

[gambler]

45 minutes ago, QandC said:

I'm a man-baby

Stop it 🤣 

[LordFall]

Yeah I think most people never reach their potential. For me it's hard to find a materialistic goal and stick to it. I like thinking more than doing. It's something I wanna figure out. 

[koops]

11 hours ago, EternalForest said:

I'd rather be a dreamy "puer" and enjoy life than be a miserable old man with no imagination who's angry at the entire world, which is realistically the end result of someone who views everything through the lens of pure pragmatism. It's also a two way street. Although greatness oftentimes occurs in the process of creation, great ideas motivate great work. I guarantee you if they had the idea for a Game of Thrones or The Legend of Zelda in their head, even the laziest puer would be working on it day and night. Yet if they lived in pure pragmatism, they wouldn't even see themselves as having the potential to create such a thing. In other words, even if they had an idea so great, they wouldn't have the sense of wonder or freedom to recognize it.

Nope.

They will quit when times got hard. Is not just about creativity and a few sprints of hard work.

There are a million drafts for Zeldas and Game of thrones lost in evernotes.

Rocky, 4hour work week, Mad Men etc.. were rejected dozens of times.

The creators when through hell to pull them off. Years and years of work in the face of rejection.

 

[koops]

10 hours ago, numbersinarow said:

Just bluepilldom.

?

[koops]

9 hours ago, AION said:

The inner child is an archetype we shouldn't overcompensate or under-compensate but integrate it and give its rightful place. Otherwise your inner child will always sabotage you, terrorize you and fuck your life up.

Exactly

[QandC]

15 hours ago, LordFall said:

Yeah I think most people never reach their potential. For me it's hard to find a materialistic goal and stick to it. I like thinking more than doing. It's something I wanna figure out. 

I second this. 
we have a rich inner life, and honestly nothing wrong with that. 

[EternalForest]

On 12/13/2024 at 1:09 AM, koops said:

Nope.

They will quit when times got hard. Is not just about creativity and a few sprints of hard work.

There are a million drafts for Zeldas and Game of thrones lost in evernotes.

Rocky, 4hour work week, Mad Men etc.. were rejected dozens of times.

The creators when through hell to pull them off. Years and years of work in the face of rejection.

 

Hard work is important. My point is, living a lifestyle of nothing but work and grinding isn't very inspiring for a creative. ("All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy")

[quantumspiral]

On 12/12/2024 at 6:50 PM, EternalForest said:

I'd rather be a dreamy "puer" and enjoy life than be a miserable old man with no imagination who's angry at the entire world, which is realistically the end result of someone who views everything through the lens of pure pragmatism. It's also a two way street. Although greatness oftentimes occurs in the process of creation, great ideas motivate great work. I guarantee you if they had the idea for a Game of Thrones or The Legend of Zelda in their head, even the laziest puer would be working on it day and night. Yet if they lived in pure pragmatism, they wouldn't even see themselves as having the potential to create such a thing. In other words, even if they had an idea so great, they wouldn't have the sense of wonder or freedom to recognize it.

I think you're straw manning the argument. If you're not a puer aeturnus, that does not mean you automatically have the spirit of an overly pragmatic, bitter old man.

The point is that the puer hides from the harshness of reality by clinging to their dreams as a sort of ideal future reality where there will be no suffering and everything will be perfect. They cannot actualize their dreams because they cannot even touch reality, since it's difficulties and discomforts are too much to bear. So instead, the puer hides in fantasy.