Everything wrong with Stage green in a nutshell.

[Leo Gura]

41 minutes ago, integral said:

There’s no value that prevents a human from being the president of United States,

Are you kidding?

Of course there are.

You gotta be seriously deluded to even want the job.

If you actually valued truth you would never apply for that job.

Edited Thursday at 04:48 PM by Leo Gura

[Terell Kirby]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If you actually valued truth you would never apply for that job.

Mind providing context? Examples helps us get a better understanding of what valuing truth looks like in practice.

[integral]

@Leo Gura if we forced you be the president of the United States all of humanity would improve. All of humanity could work towards truth more effectively.

If we want conscious business, people who values truth have to see the strategy for which their values apply to being the president.

Who else is going to do the job?

All values apply to any situation as long as you can see how it can be applied.

If you were given the opportunity to be the president, you would do a massive disservice to all of humanity not to take that position.

Edited Thursday at 05:07 PM by integral

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Terell Kirby said:

Mind providing context? Examples helps us get a better understanding of what valuing truth looks like in practice.

I got the perfect example for ya:

One time, Obama was doing a public fundraiser for his reelection campaign. He was meeting with donors and shaking their hands. A donor walked up to shake his hand and get a photo. The donor told him: "Here's a check for $100k. Can I tell everyone that I knew you back in college?" Obama looked at him and said, "I tell you what, make that $200k and you can tell them that we knew each other back in middle school."

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, integral said:

if we forced you be the president of the United States all of humanity would improve. All of humanity could work towards truth more effectively.

It just doesn't work like that. This is a naive and shallow way of understanding the issue.

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, integral said:

@Leo Gura If you were given the opportunity to be the president, you would do a massive disservice to all of humanity not to take that position.

I would certainly decline.

I'm not gonna degrade myself to play politics.

You can argue someone has to do it, but that doesn't mean me.

Edited Thursday at 05:16 PM by Leo Gura

[Husseinisdoingfine]

But aren't there good, high quality and truthful politicians such as Bernie Sanders or Mahatma Gandhi? Is the very fact that these people were politicians or were gunning for the top job, that this makes them seriously deluded and oblivious to truth?

After all, Sanders brought serious truths to the table, such as the extend of American corruption, how America is not yet a full democracy (gerrymandering, the donation system, the electoral college, etc...), and many more truths. 

You said it yourself in your conscious politics video serious, that if the most conscious people don't participate in politics and government, then the most unconscious people will seize power and pull society downwards. 

 

Edited Thursday at 05:22 PM by Husseinisdoingfine

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

You said it yourself in your conscious politics video serious, that if the most conscious people don't participate in politics and government, then the most unconscious people will seize power and pull society downwards. 

The government is incapable of handling the levels of truth and consciousness that the most conscious people would bring.

What the government needs is not the most conscious people, but people who are slightly more conscious than average. That's what Bernie is.

Government doesn't need ideas which are 300 years ahead of their time. It needs ideas which are 10-20 years ahead.

As you can see with recent developments, people are nowhere ready for serious progressive ideas. They need something much less developed.

The best quantum physics profressor is lost on middle school children. It's not what they need.

My work is not what most people need.

Edited Thursday at 05:31 PM by Leo Gura

[Terell Kirby]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I got the perfect example for ya:

One time, Obama was doing a public fundraiser for his reelection campaign. He was meeting with donors and shaking their hands. A donor walked up to shake his hand and get a photo. The donor told him: "Here's a check for $100k. Can I tell everyone that I knew you back in college?" Obama looked at him and said, "I tell you what, make that $200k and you can tell them that we knew each other back in middle school."

Great example- thanks @Leo Gura

[Jacob Morres]

15 hours ago, integral said:

When I first heard this story, I couldn't contain my frustration with green. To be clear, he rejected his full inheritance, which means he received $0 from a billion-dollar business.

Let me explain the right strategy: you inherit the business, and then you can do many things to transform it in ways that help the entire world. Reallocate the billion dollars into something good for humanity. It sounds obvious, but apparently, to Stage Green idealists, they would rather do something "noble" like rejecting money. I feel like this is the biggest difference between Stage Green and Stage Yellow—the lack of big-picture thinking. They can't see past their own idealism.

The second biggest mistake is clear: he had no financial or business intelligence, evidenced by how he lost all his money to a scam artist.

The reason this frustrates me so much is that conscientious people have no interest in finances, which allows the fools to rule the world.

To win this battle we need the conscientious people to be good at business. There's no other way to play this game it is the biggest trap. 

You need money to be a good person.

Isnt this moreso a trap of stage green rather than green being bad inherently. I think Green can be integrated with healthy orange to my knowledge 

[integral]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm not gonna degrade myself to play politics.

But what's the alternative Trump? Are going to sit there and let Trump rule the world?

You have to sacrifice yourself for the whole.
Jesus on the cross.

I don't understand in this hypothetical scenario the whole world is counting on you! 

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Government doesn't need ideas which are 300 years ahead of their time. It needs ideas which are 10-20 years ahead.

You have the intelligence to play the game at any level you choose to? Then implement the ideas the world needs?

[integral]

11 minutes ago, Jacob Morres said:

Isnt this moreso a trap of stage green rather than green being bad inherently. I think Green can be integrated with healthy orange to my knowledge 

It's possible his orange was perfectly fine, after all he was financially successful until he fell for the scam. In terms of green he's a great example, but in terms of yellow he can't see strategy or play chess because green is blinded by higher ideals and their emotional stance on everything. The real world there's murder and chaos and Corruption and you need to balance it all in an intelligent way. 

Yellow is going to work with the systems available and move them all forward to higher ideals, green is going to reject systems because they don't match their ideals.

Edited Thursday at 06:01 PM by integral

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, integral said:

But what's the alternative Trump? Are going to sit there and let Trump rule the world?

No. There a hundreds of politicians better than Trump. I am not needed in that arena.

12 minutes ago, integral said:

You have to sacrifice yourself for the whole.
Jesus on the cross.

Nope. Just a silly human notion.

12 minutes ago, integral said:

I don't understand in this hypothetical scenario the whole world is counting on you!

That's an illusion.

I could die tomorrow and it wouldn't make any difference.

12 minutes ago, integral said:

You have the intelligence to play the game at any level you choose to? Then implement the ideas the world needs?

If you are intelligent you understand the world will go on just fine without you, as it has always done.

[Davino]

I would rather vote for Daniel Schmachtenberger to become The US president.

No offense Leo

Having you as president would be like using a bulldozer to drink a cup of water. Too powerful and inefficient for the task at hand

Edited Thursday at 06:11 PM by Davino

[Davino]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I could die tomorrow and it wouldn't make any difference.

Who could I outsource my sense making to then?

[RendHeaven]

6 hours ago, Davino said:

Daniel Schmachtenberger

My Goat

[Consept]

In the story doesn't Buddha decline all his inheritance of a kingdom to pursue enlightenment? 

[ryoko]

@integral it's swag to reject a billion dollars. 

[integral]

13 hours ago, Consept said:

In the story doesn't Buddha decline all his inheritance of a kingdom to pursue enlightenment? 

I feel like this is the most obvious thing in the world I'm not sure why it's so complicated 😂

If we want conscious business and conscious government and conscious politics and conscious whatever, then when the time comes conscious people have to participate with everyone else. 

Where's the conscious version of Elon Musk getting shit done, that guy decided to do nothing when the time came. Or fair enough pursue things that interest him.

A life purpose is what you have the capacity to align your values with. 

When i was younger and now I thought having children makes no sense it's for people who are chasing the story of their life trying to get more progress in their life, it's an unconscious activity, but to contribute to mankind the conscious people have to be the ones having the most children. Instead it's the exact opposite the dumbest people have the most children and the most conscious people have none.

There's a perspective problem. All of these are equivalent.

1) your child is about to have a hit by a car, do you take action or not?

2) Trump is about to become the president United States, Do you run against him or not?

3 you are given a billion dollar opportunity, do you take it or not and contribute to humanity. 

For some reason conscious people have selected what they're willing to do and what they're not. They're not willing to participate in politics to create systemic change through the system. But what they're willing to do is speculate and draw insights about how corrupt the whole system is without actually participating in it.

Green is going to just look at the parts of society doesn't like and take an activist stance against it of non-participation. And it's a wrong move because you don't have any pieces to play the chess game. Everything is a hundred times harder. Cuz you're not willing to work with a complex system that has parts you like and parts you don't like.

Edited Friday at 09:37 PM by integral

[integral]

1 hour ago, ryoko said:

@integral it's swag to reject a billion dollars. 

I agree and when I was younger I thought exactly the same way and I would have been very impressed by the level of integrity and values. Now I see it as a systemic strategic mistake.