In Need Of Help

[Revolutionary Think]

Recently I joined a form of meditation called subtraction meditation where you recall all your past memories and throw them into a black hole. The way it works is that I go to a place with separate rooms and it's a guided meditation. First they tell me to close my eyes and imagine a scenario where I am about to die and I do die. Whether it's death by a storm, car accident etc. Then after you die you become a ghost and you float up into space where you can see the earth and sun get smaller and smaller as your ghost goes higher and higher. Then the ghost is basically and illusion and you're in front of a black hole and the idea of the black hole at this point you open your eyes and see a small black circle in front of you. What you do after that is bring up all your memories from the past while you repeat a phrase "please truth eliminate the false" as in the Universe is true but, every picture you created reality with is false. Then you bring up all your past memories repeat the phrase and throw all your emotional baggage/memories/pictures in the black hole. These sessions go from an hour to two hours. They charge money but, I'm thinking I can do the same exact thing at home... 

Here is the website that describes it http://woomyung.com/meditation-method/the-subtraction-method/  

[Revolutionary Think]

Anyone?

[Toby]

What is the question?

[Revolutionary Think]

What do you think about the meditation? Sound legit or not? 

[philosogi]

@Revolutionary Think Too many concepts.

[jse]

The age of subtraction has begun to unfold

On the surface, it appears to me that the only subtraction going on there is happening in your wallet...

[Revolutionary Think]

@jse Ya that's what I was afraid of. It was just that when the people who were passing out the fliers were talking about it, it seemed exactly what @Leo Gura was talking about. The subtraction talked about getting rid of the ego and everything like that. It seemed to me after listening to them and after listening to Leo's enlightenment video it really seemed congruent with what they were trying to do. All they told me was when I finish level one I'd actually feel it in my mind that I don't have all the stresses and frustrations and such. 

Although I must say talking to other people who have done it they said they have seen the results and it's been worth it. The whole thing they try to push on you is that it's guided so that's what makes it super important but, then again the guidance is so basic and you can basically guide yourself the same way. I can very easily make a story up in my mind where I'm dead and become a ghost and go into the Universe then create a black hole in front of myself. If nothing really changes about this "guided meditation" then I see no reason to pay into it. I haven't really invested much though. 

[jse]

3 minutes ago, Revolutionary Think said:

@jse Ya that's what I was afraid of. It was just that when the people who were passing out the fliers were talking about it, it seemed exactly what @Leo Gura was talking about. The subtraction talked about getting rid of the ego and everything like that. It seemed to me after listening to them and after listening to Leo's enlightenment video it really seemed congruent with what they were trying to do. All they told me was when I finish level one I'd actually feel it in my mind that I don't have all the stresses and frustrations and such. 

Although I must say talking to other people who have done it they said they have seen the results and it's been worth it. The whole thing they try to push on you is that it's guided so that's what makes it super important but, then again the guidance is so basic and you can basically guide yourself the same way. I can very easily make a story up in my mind where I'm dead and become a ghost and go into the Universe then create a black hole in front of myself. If nothing really changes about this "guided meditation" then I see no reason to pay into it. I haven't really invested much though. 

@Revolutionary Think , you could well be describing Scientology.

[Revolutionary Think]

Well I don't think scientology has to do with letting go of negative emotions... I also don't think that scientology has anything to do with meditation either. All they said to me was that when you get past level 1 those negative things in your mind go away for good but, I'd be able to experience it myself and they don't tell you that it's gone you notice it. So that's why I paid the fee. I'm wondering though from a person who's been meditating for a long time what this sounds like and if they think that it's not legit then I am more likely to take their advice.  

[philosogi]

On 5/5/2017 at 6:57 PM, Revolutionary Think said:

All they said to me was that when you get past level 1 those negative things in your mind go away for good but, I'd be able to experience it myself and they don't tell you that it's gone you notice it.

I get red flags when there are absolute claims made like this.

[Revolutionary Think]

@philosogi I think the meditation has been helping a bit but, nothing that I can't really get doing it at home. If I don't feel those super positive effects that they say happen I'm not giving a penny more. 

[ajasatya]

@Revolutionary Think just find a zen sangha. they know what they've been doing for almost 800 years.

zazen all the way through your suffering.

[philosogi]

I'd say you'd get more value watching people like Krishnamurti, Eckhart Tolle, Alan Watts for free on YouTube. They all give good tips on meditation.

24 minutes ago, Revolutionary Think said:

I think the meditation has been helping a bit but, nothing that I can't really get doing it at home.

Could you try meditating in a park? Edit: misread your sentence.

24 minutes ago, Revolutionary Think said:

If I don't feel those super positive effects that they say happen I'm not giving a penny more. 

I get that you don't want to be scammed or have your time wasted. But going on the spiritual/enlightenment path leading with the concept that there will be super positive effects happening as a result of your meditation is like, as Alan Watts says, "the tail wagging the dog." You will continue to be frustrated if you think the path is like a vending machine. It doesn't appear that direct to the ego.

Meditation should not be a chore, but an end in and of itself. Sitting is just one meditation. You must also learn how to hold contradictory ideas. Leo talks about this a lot. So meditation should be an end in and of itself, but it is also a tool. At the same time, you must not think it's a tool. Anything in life can be a tool you can use for awakening. Like, being conscious of the way you walk, how the weight distributes on which part of your foot. Or when you're brushing your teeth, feeling where each bristle touches the intersection between your tooth and your gums. Anything can be a meditation.

Edited May 10, 2017 by philosogi