How to contemplate without assumptions?!

[Someone here]

 it's not possible to contemplate without assumptions or preconceived notions.  If you start from scratch you will end with scratch. You have to assume that you know something..there has to be a given of some kind.. And you don't know the other side and try to make the ends meet. It's always a deception.. Because the truth is all questions are based on false assumptions. Or these assumptions are not inherent in reality.  So when you contemplate and derive an answer it's always going to be a partial answer.. And will always be based on unquestioned assumptions.  If you don't assume anything you can't even formulate a question. Lol. 

So you either accept non-answer to a no questions..or you accept a partial answer that you know is not the whole story. 

Am I missing something? 

[Hojo]

Every category has a hidden loop you can find that relates to the concept of nothing. Contemplation is relating one word to other words over and over again until your neural pathways understand its relation to nothingness. When the pathway do this the neurons will understand that their connections are pointing to God and they will self delete leading to a eureka moment. In the eureka moment of neurons deleting you see God. The brain will say wow I knew something so totally then realized I didn't and am now free.

Edited December 9 by Hojo

[Princess Arabia]

Your world is unique to you and there are no facts. You can make your own assumptions and live to see them reflect back to you if you stick with them long enough. You are Reality so within the dream of separation anything can appear and it's based upon your beliefs and assumptions. It's all within so it really doesn't matter what questions you ask and what you assume. You're looking for surety in an unsure world not realizing there's no such thing. The whole story is what you create and it is forever unfolding so there's no such thing as "the whole story". 

[Someone here]

On 09/12/2024 at 5:04 PM, Hojo said:

Every category has a hidden loop you can find that relates to the concept of nothing. Contemplation is relating one word to other words over and over again until your neural pathways understand its relation to nothingness. When the pathway do this the neurons will understand that their connections are pointing to God and they will self delete leading to a eureka moment. In the eureka moment of neurons deleting you see God. The brain will say wow I knew something so totally then realized I didn't and am now free.

Sorry I don't understand what you're saying . Are you saying that purpose of contemplating is to show the futility of all mentaition and to arrive at actuality beyond thought? Kinda like using the mind to kill the mind ?

 

[Hojo]

@Someone here Yes basically form a concept and come to its conclusion that its not even real. Then you get the eureka moment. The bigger the foundation of belief the bigger the eureka moment the greater understanding of said thing.

Edited December 10 by Hojo

[Someone here]

On 09/12/2024 at 6:03 PM, Princess Arabia said:

Your world is unique to you and there are no facts. You can make your own assumptions and live to see them reflect back to you if you stick with them long enough. You are Reality so within the dream of separation anything can appear and it's based upon your beliefs and assumptions. It's all within so it really doesn't matter what questions you ask and what you assume. You're looking for surety in an unsure world not realizing there's no such thing. The whole story is what you create and it is forever unfolding so there's no such thing as "the whole story". 

so what's your alternative?  Do you have the nerve to claim you live without "a story "? I mean we don't nesscary need to squeeze goats testicles or read the tarot or any woo woo myths to believe in ....but at least since you are not awake you believe you are a human chimp living on a rock that orbits around the sun in the middle of nowhere...

No . Stories are essential for survival .you couldn't have human life without em. Imagine living as an empty headed nobody who abandoned society and just begging for bread on the streets ...you will end up like that without Stories.  When you interact in society with other human chimps who are also not awake and deeply stuck in the matrix just like you..you have to practice etiquette and play by the social matrix's rules . Without Stories you couldn't sleep at night..because you need an ontological bedrock of assumptions that it's safe to drift off .

[Someone here]

10 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Someone here Yes basically form a concept and come to its conclusion that its not even real. Then you get the eureka moment. The bigger the foundation of belief the bigger the eureka moment the greater understanding of said thing.

I once asked Leo a question about how can you say that "reality is a dream "? Since everything Is just itself and not some other thing.  Its a perfectly symmetrical tautology . Reality is reality. Nothing more .if you Hojo follow my posts I try to be epistemologically rigorous because of the tricky nature of language and the mind. And I have a suggestion to create more fruitful  philosophical discussions on this forum:

We must always be clear and concise in our language..so that philosophical discourse makes sense and the thoughts we converse about actually point to existing/comprehensible things in reality. (I know that  that begs the question of who defines what "existing/comprehensible" things are.)..

I say now that all of this existential Inquiries  are infinite regressing phenomena that covers no ground.. precisely because there was no ground to cover in the first place. I am well aware that this is exceedingly radical.. but I'm going to write a few of my points like this :

1. All definitions are not definite.
2. All ideas are assumptions.
3. All ideas are beliefs.
4. All ideas refer to themselves and only themselves. Ideas exist in relation to other ideas.
5. Following premise 4.. ideas are all relative.
6. All ideas can be questioned in an infinitely regressing fashion.
7. All ideas are fundamentally groundless.


To notice this for  youself..you have to question whether or not you "know" anything at all.

 truth cannot be a belief. Which makes me conclude that truth cannot be an "idea".. Since  all ideas are assumptions and  beliefs that ultimately cover nothing. Many of you can probably point out contradictions or paradoxes from everything that I've said up until now. But what I'm saying is that paradox/contradiction is inherent to the nature of "meaning" and "definitions" and ultimately.. ideas. Not reality itself. 

 

[Hojo]

@Someone here My problem is Im pretending to be philosophical. Im not I am autistic but I have to pretend to be philosophical because people wont understand so my posts come off as a cluster fuck. I only got into philosophy 3 years before I saw God and I understand it I have spend 1000s of hours over the past 6 years researching and I understand every philosophical idea its just I'm almost purely right brained. My language and math skills sucks and idea inside my mind are not ordered and come out to me in pictures.  If I somehow spent hours trying to post something perfectly philosophical too all left brained people I would forget what I was trying to say and just delete so I just go with the flow. I almost dont even know how to structure something. I failed english 4 times in high school.

When I listen to music I don't pay attention to the lyrics I am 90 percent right brained vocals to me are just another instrument.80 percent of the music I listen to is in a language I do not understand or instrumentals. If I were to write a philosophy book it would be a comic book. Words to me are hard and structure is hard I have 0 structure in anything I do.

If we want to be a clear and concise as possible we need to use the least amount of words and each word brings in infinite qualia so I will try to reestablish your points to what I think

God = nothing

Nothing = black energy

Black energy = qualia

 

 

Ideas = God (Thoughts about ideas are just other Ideas)

Eureka moment = God (The peak of human qualia, The experience of seeing black energy as you)

Edited December 10 by Hojo

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

so what's your alternative?  Do you have the nerve to claim you live without "a story "? I mean we don't nesscary need to squeeze goats testicles or read the tarot or any woo woo myths to believe in ....but at least since you are not awake you believe you are a human chimp living on a rock that orbits around the sun in the middle of nowhere...

No . Stories are essential for survival .you couldn't have human life without em. Imagine living as an empty headed nobody who abandoned society and just begging for bread on the streets ...you will end up like that without Stories.  When you interact in society with other human chimps who are also not awake and deeply stuck in the matrix just like you..you have to practice etiquette and play by the social matrix's rules . Without Stories you couldn't sleep at night..because you need an ontological bedrock of assumptions that it's safe to drift off .

I would like for you to quote where I said I don't have a story. Cmon,I'm waiting. Or maybe you're going to say what it is you THINK I was trying to say in my comment and didn't see the words for what they actually meant. Do you think I was referring to only you and not myself. The only reason you responded the way you did was because you assumed I was pointing a finger. 

Also you're unaware of what I mean about stories. 

[James123]

@Someone here contemplating without assumptions are the real contemplation is. 

[ChrisZoZo]

@Someone here I think doing self inquiry is about trying to remove assumptions.

[cetus]

On 12/9/2024 at 2:05 AM, Someone here said:

Am I missing something?

 Rest assured a power with infinite knowledge always has your back. Your Trust in that is what is missing.

[Someone here]

14 hours ago, cetus said:

 Rest assured a power with infinite knowledge always has your back. Your Trust in that is what is missing.

Thank you sir . I needed to hear something from this ilk . I recently came to know that same conclusions.  That really happiness and peace of mind come from surrender to God. My mom is a deeply religious person  .she has unshakeable faith in God. And even though we are going through some tough times recently she never lose her smile and serenity.  She always tell me that you just be with God and you will be at peace that passeth understanding .

 Happiness is god alone.  Life is god alone .nothing means anything without God.  There is nothing beyond God or before God.  If you didn't reach God yet ...then you are not alive ..and if you did..you are living forever. 

 

[Someone here]

On 10/12/2024 at 8:47 PM, Princess Arabia said:

I would like for you to quote where I said I don't have a story. Cmon,I'm waiting. Or maybe you're going to say what it is you THINK I was trying to say in my comment and didn't see the words for what they actually meant. Do you think I was referring to only you and not myself. The only reason you responded the way you did was because you assumed I was pointing a finger. 

Also you're unaware of what I mean about stories. 

 

On 09/12/2024 at 6:03 PM, Princess Arabia said:

so there's no such thing as "the whole story". 

Here you said there is no such thing as the whole story .

What I mean by "stories" is assumptions and beliefs..like :

-other people have consciousness

-the world exists when I am not perceiving it 

-I’m smarter than most people 

-I will die 

-I am a human 

-I’m not dreaming 

-What scientists say is provable

-If I don’t eat food I will die 

-my parents are my parents 

-I was born 

-my memories of past events are accurate 

-everything is made of atoms 

-I am more virtuous than most people 

-Tomorrow will happen

-I’d be happy if I had what I think I want

Now ...my question to you ..do you have beliefs like these or am u underestimating your wokeness ?

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

 

Here you said there is no such thing as the whole story .

What I mean by "stories" is assumptions and beliefs..like :

-other people have consciousness

-the world exists when I am not perceiving it 

-I’m smarter than most people 

-I will die 

-I am a human 

-I’m not dreaming 

-What scientists say is provable

-If I don’t eat food I will die 

-my parents are my parents 

-I was born 

-my memories of past events are accurate 

-everything is made of atoms 

-I am more virtuous than most people 

-Tomorrow will happen

-I’d be happy if I had what I think I want

Now ...my question to you ..do you have beliefs like these or am u underestimating your wokeness ?

I never claimed to be woke. "Tomorrow will happen", what the f is that. Tomorrow never comes. "I am more virtuous than most people", why would I even say a thing like that. I won't even bother. Ask another question.

[Someone here]

@Hojo i noticed that about your posts . You are unorganised and you use poor grammar and punctuation.

read some actual philosophy. Stuff people say is 'philosophical' rarely is. Philosophy isn't just 'super deep thoughts man'. It's an attempt to construct rigorous arguments about fundamental questions.

Consider your motive in an honest light. Do you write this stuff because you think it's important and true..or because you want to be perceived as deep and philosophical? I wrote a lot of deep shit on this forum  but at least half of my motive was wanting other people to think I was deep. This leads me to conclude most of what I was writing was probably bullshit. Whereas..sometimes I'd just write something I considered to be fundamentally true.. and other people incidentally considered it me being "philosophical." 

Edited December 11 by Someone here

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Tomorrow will happen", what the f is that. Tomorrow never comes

It's easy to say shit like this but do you actually live up to that ? If you have a job in the morning or a class or meetings or whatever..don't you set the alarm before going to bed ?

[Someone here]

23 hours ago, James123 said:

@Someone here contemplating without assumptions are the real contemplation is. 

Sure !

19 hours ago, ChrisZoZo said:

@Someone here I think doing self inquiry is about trying to remove assumptions.

That's correct. Self Inquiry is trying to arrive at what "you " are existentially by studying direct experience without further preconceived beliefs.

[Princess Arabia]

17 minutes ago, Someone here said:

It's easy to say shit like this but do you actually live up to that ? If you have a job in the morning or a class or meetings or whatever..don't you set the alarm before going to bed ?

I set the alarm now, I go to bed now and I have the class now. I live up to it every NOW. I never do anything outside of Now. There, happy. 🫠🥰❤️😘😘🤣

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I set the alarm now, I go to bed now and I have the class now. I live up to it every NOW. I never do anything outside of Now. There, happy. 🫠🥰❤️😘😘🤣

Make America happy again 🙏