Leo why did you stop practicing Kriya Yoga?

[Javfly33]

7 hours ago, RightHand said:

Or maybe "the road" is just a model that's not perfect.

What you mean a model?

 

On 11/12/2024 at 3:22 PM, Panteranegra said:

 

 

[Thought Art]

9 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

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All roads lead to Rome, but if you walk into one road, and then go to the other one, you have to go back, then change road again, go back, etc... will you ever get to Rome? 

Or maybe you want to create your own road

Realistically, it doesn’t work like this in practice. It’s your body and it’s a holistic system. The titles attached to the techniques or their schools of origin being separate is a mental construct. 
 

You could take All these yoga techniques and Qigong techniques, and combine them into a holistic psycho-somatic energetic practice and it will help you develop yourself very deeply. In the age of information this is possible. These systems weave and compliment each other. I mainly combine right now meditation, pranayama and Qigong. Though, plan to study the others in more depth once I gain more mastery of these. 
 

Though, Qigong is my main practice. If I wanted I could call all these yogic breathing techniques forms of Qigong. But, that loses the cultural relevance. But, in truth it’s all just Qigong. 
 

Qigong mean being skilled with your life force energy. Each breathing technique, yoga sequence, Qigong technique etc are all part of the toolkit for working with the life force energy. 
 

Please note I am a student of Integral Metatheory. The Idea of creating an integral, holistic practice. Not, picking a pet school. 

Edited December 12 by Thought Art

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Realistically, it doesn’t work like this in practice. It’s your body and it’s a holistic system. The titles attached to the techniques or their schools of origin being separate is a mental construct. 
 

You could take All these yoga techniques and Qigong techniques, and combine them into a holistic psycho-somatic energetic practice and it will help you develop yourself very deeply. In the age of information this is possible. These systems weave and compliment each other. I mainly combine right now meditation, pranayama and Qigong. Though, plan to study the others in more depth once I gain more mastery of these. 
 

Though, Qigong is my main practice. If I wanted I could call all these yogic breathing techniques forms of Qigong. But, that loses the cultural relevance. But, in truth it’s all just Qigong. 
 

Qigong mean being skilled with your life force energy. Each breathing technique, yoga sequence, Qigong technique etc are all part of the toolkit for working with the life force energy. 
 

Please note I am a student of Integral Metatheory. The Idea of creating an integral, holistic practice. Not, picking a pet school. 

Look, Spirituality is not vanguardistic cuisine. This is not art class, the point is not being Creative and showing what you can do.

When we enter into a millenia practice such as Yoga (or Qigong as in your case) we enter clearly understanding that we are dumb idiots. We dont go stopping the Teacher and telling him "Wait, i prefer to put my knee in this way" or "Let me just add this other thing from Kung Fu".

People who think they are smart, they have to make something of their own, they have to leave a signature. And eventually they end Up destroying the practice for them. If they dont actually destroy It for more people by creating a school on their own, as has happened with lots of types of Yoga created by americans (coincidence? @Ishanga 😂)

Because you have some sense that you are not nowhere the level of Buddha, so you dont go creating a technique to feel a realized Creative individual.

Because the point when Spirituality comes is not Creativity or being cool, is not art class, you havent come to the Buddha to feel a genius, you have come to dissolve. 

So you You bow down your head and you Apply with no questioning, instead of telling Buddha how to meditate. That would be wise, If you are the student and not the Teacher.

Simply Understanding the level one is at in Life... You Will wisely choose to either listen or teach, dont you think?

Edited December 12 by Javfly33

[Thought Art]

@Javfly33 1. We don't generally go for calling people stupid here.... Change your tone before I issue warning points. (though I appreciate your conversation. )

and 2. Study the history of these schools. What I am doing has been done for thousands of years. These systems constantly grow and change. I am actually studying and practicing these skills everyday not just sitting here talking about them. That is the difference between our approach. You have your opinion, I am out practicing.

I am not creating a technique, I am studying, practicing. Perhaps in 10-20 years I'll have a unique system. 

Pranayama, Qigong and meditation... they are all symbiotic. I am seeing really nice results with my energy. Qigong is really great for overall balancing and it's far more practical for applied usage than Pranayama so far. Though, I think Pranayama is great, fantastic addition to a solid Qigong practice. 

They are both just different ways of working with energy. It's the same energy at the end of the day whether you call it Prana or Qi.

For now I am saying, at the very least that the truth is historically these systems were varied, the techniques were handed around, changed, modified, integrated, seperated, changed, etc. Especially in the history of Qigong. Knowing this history, and with my integral and holistic view I see the potential for integration of systems.

What I am suggesting is not that I know it all. But, being a student of integral metatheory, and it's implications. That, an integral somatic/ energetic practice is powerful.

There are many teachers who already teach Qigong and Pranayama and many schools of Qigong who are creating unique takes on YoQi which is a combination. It's already happening. This evolution of these practices has been happening for thousands of years and only continues through the work of people like me.

I am a certified Qigong teacher who has over a thousand of followers on Youtube. But I am humble and a student. I don't teach Pranayama, and I only teacher certain aspects of Qigong. I am for sure a student, and humble and know little compared to the grand scheme. But, I have a holistic orientation. 

 

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Note: Perhaps we have gone off on a tangent. I think a useful and interesting one but perhaps it needs it's own thread going forward.

Edited December 12 by Thought Art

[Javfly33]

Just now, Thought Art said:

@Javfly33 1. Change your tone before I issue warning points. (though I appreciate your conversation )

and 2. Study the history of these schools. What I am doing has been done for thousands of years. These systems constantly grow and change. I am actually studying and practicing these skills everyday not just sitting here talking about them. That is the difference between our approach. You have your opinion, I am out practicing.

I am not creating a technique, I am studying, practicing. Perhaps in 10-20 years I'll have a unique system. 

Pranayama, Qigong and meditation... they are all symbiotic. I am seeing really nice results with my energy. Qigong is really great for overall balancing and it's far more practical for applied usage than Pranayama so far. Though, I think Pranayama is great, fantastic addition to a solid Qigong practice. 

They are both just different ways of working with energy. It's the same energy at the end of the day whether you call it Prana or Qi.

For now I am saying, at the very least that the truth is historically these systems were varied, the techniques were handed around, changed, modified, integrated, seperated, changed, etc. Especially in the history of Qigong. Knowing this history, and with my integral and holistic voice.

What I am suggesting is not that I know it all. But, being a student of integral metatheory, and it's implications. That, an integral somatic/ energetic practice is powerful.

There are many teachers who already teach Qigong and Pranayama and many schools of Qigong who are creating unique takes on YoQi which is a combination. It's already happening. This evolution of these practices has been happening for thousands of years and only continues through the work of people like me.

I am a certified Qigong teacher who has over a thousand of followers on Youtube. But I am humble and a student. I don't teach Pranayama, and I only teacher certain aspects of Qigong. I am for sure a student, and humble and know little compared to the grand scheme. But, I have a holistic orientation. 

I just edited my reply 👍 

[Thought Art]

@Javfly33 All good, thank you for doing that it means a lot to me. 

[Javfly33]

@Thought Art At the end Only you know what works for ya 👍 Only wanted to share my truth or how I think this things work... 

[Thought Art]

@Javfly33 I think we fundamentally view these techniques through different lenses.

I am aware of a lot here because I work in the space. 

I am a certified Qigong teacher because I was willing to study under my teacher and learn his techniques. I do the same over at Yogalap learning Pranayama and I will do that as long as I learn.

But, it's false to say there is a brick wall separating techniques. 

Realistically a pranayama session is about 30 minutes to an hour. Then, you can do a style of Qigong to work different aspects of the body. Then, maybe Hatha/ Ashtanga Yoga to strengthen and stretch more deeply. Then, maybe meditate to calm, center and integrate the whole session. It's really up to you. 

We want to breath, stretch, let go of stress and anxiety, and cultivate a high quality abundance of energy, joy, calm, etc... 

Edited December 12 by Thought Art

[Thought Art]

@Javfly33 I appreciate your perspective.

But, I also invite you to open up a bit and see how an integral approach to these schools could be beneficial.

To develop a robust mind-body fitness requires not just doing the same workout everyday. But, integrating different ones. I don't use a hammer to screw in screws.

[decentralized]

@Thought Art how long does qigong take for a kundalini-awakened individual to feel the effects? Where should I start as a beginner? Can you send me a link to your YouTube channel?

[Ayham]

@Panteranegra Very well, and do you recommend a specific online resource?