Leo why did you stop practicing Kriya Yoga?

[Thought Art]

Do it all 

[Ayham]

@Panteranegra I would like to know how transformative it is and what your practice is like.

[James123]

@Thought Art@Francis777 have you ever tried high dosage of pychedelics? 

[Jowblob]

I have been doing kriya yoga from an authentic teacher from lahiri mahasaya lineage so far i can tell you that it's been useless. Kriya yoga is all in the mind and you have to believe in it pretty hard for it to work. Psychedelics is a better and more direct path in my opinion.

[Thought Art]

@Jowblob Interesting. I find breathwork to be pretty powerful though, so I am not sure yet. There are a lot of techqniues out there.

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, James123 said:

@Leo Gura psychedelics are temporary. Yoga or meditation are stable. Combination of both is amazing. 

A stable illusion.

[Panteranegra]

@Ayham

Kriya Yoga truly works if you practice it daily. It requires a great deal of discipline, but the results are absolutely worth it. I received teachings from the Yogananda lineage; my teacher’s guru was Roy Eugene Davis (a direct disciple of Yogananda) . My teacher name is Chris Sartain. I’ve been practicing Kriya Yoga every day, without missing a single session, since October 1st of this year.

The power of Kriya Yoga lies in its transformative effects on the brain. It enhances the functionality of the frontal lobes, improving focus, reducing stress, and quieting the “monkey mind.” It also sharpens your IQ, discernment, and intuition—some of the most tangible physical benefits of the practice.

On an energetic level, Kriya Yoga fosters a subtle sense of bliss. Over time, it cultivates a more positive state of mind, reducing negative thoughts and bringing a sense of inner peace. Unlike psychedelics, which can create intense but fleeting experiences, Kriya Yoga is stable and cumulative—each day’s practice builds upon the last. This is because Kriya systematically dissolves the energetic blockages you’ve accumulated throughout your life.

While psychedelics can be transformative, they often overstimulate the nervous system. Kriya Yoga, on the other hand, strengthens and harmonizes it, promoting long-term health and balance. With consistent practice, it’s even possible to develop siddhis (spiritual powers)—I’ve already experienced one myself. Advanced practitioners can also produce soma, a blissful nectar generated by the brain.

Another hallmark of advanced yogis is the awakening of the sushumna nadi, the central energy channel. This awakening makes accessing mystical experiences easier and more natural as time goes on.

The only significant challenge of Kriya Yoga is the necessity of daily practice to reap its benefits. However, once you start experiencing the profound bliss and transformation it brings, maintaining the discipline becomes second nature. Waking up early, even at 5:30 a.m., feels effortless because you don’t want to miss out on the rewards of the practice.

That said, you don’t have to wake up at 5:30 a.m. to practice Kriya Yoga. The key is finding a consistent time that works for you. If you’re doing an extensive Kriya routine, it may take some time, so you’ll need to adjust your daily schedule or make lifestyle changes to prioritize it.

Lahiri Mahasaya taught that for the average person, achieving enlightenment is an incredibly slow process that takes millions of incarnation'S. However, Kriya Yoga provides a way to transcend this lengthy process. With dedicated practice, it’s possible to achieve enlightenment in a single lifetime or, at the most, within a few lifetimes for those who progress more slowly. Yogananda encouraged his disciples with the hopeful reminder: “Keep at it! You’re almost there.”

If I have one regret about Kriya Yoga, it’s that I didn’t take it seriously sooner. It has been one of the most transformative decisions of my life.

 

 

[PurpleTree]

Gosh psychedelics are still wild.

Few hours ago remembered i had some 2cb laying around.

Thought i could do a simple little self loving trip like the guy talked about in the other section.

But instead ended with a few hours of dipping in and out of sanity.

🦭

[cetus]

8 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Yoga or Buddhist Meditation (for example) is not designed to produce in you any concrete experiences (in fact it is usually taught to not get distracted with any momentary samadhi that might have happened), but rather a path with a concrete goal. 

let me ask your opinion with samadhi, or anyone else that may have an experience with samadhi. After experiencing samadhi a few times something wild happened when I surrendered the samadhi (as beautiful an experience as it was). I totally vanished. What is it when there is no "experience" to be had, and the experiencer vanishes.

 

Edited December 9, 2024 by cetus

[James123]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

A stable illusion.

Psychedelics are an illusion too. 

[kieranperez]

6 hours ago, Panteranegra said:

@Ayham

Kriya Yoga truly works if you practice it daily. It requires a great deal of discipline, but the results are absolutely worth it. I received teachings from the Yogananda lineage; my teacher’s guru was Roy Eugene Davis (a direct disciple of Yogananda) . My teacher name is Chris Sartain. I’ve been practicing Kriya Yoga every day, without missing a single session, since October 1st of this year.

The power of Kriya Yoga lies in its transformative effects on the brain. It enhances the functionality of the frontal lobes, improving focus, reducing stress, and quieting the “monkey mind.” It also sharpens your IQ, discernment, and intuition—some of the most tangible physical benefits of the practice.

On an energetic level, Kriya Yoga fosters a subtle sense of bliss. Over time, it cultivates a more positive state of mind, reducing negative thoughts and bringing a sense of inner peace. Unlike psychedelics, which can create intense but fleeting experiences, Kriya Yoga is stable and cumulative—each day’s practice builds upon the last. This is because Kriya systematically dissolves the energetic blockages you’ve accumulated throughout your life.

While psychedelics can be transformative, they often overstimulate the nervous system. Kriya Yoga, on the other hand, strengthens and harmonizes it, promoting long-term health and balance. With consistent practice, it’s even possible to develop siddhis (spiritual powers)—I’ve already experienced one myself. Advanced practitioners can also produce soma, a blissful nectar generated by the brain.

Another hallmark of advanced yogis is the awakening of the sushumna nadi, the central energy channel. This awakening makes accessing mystical experiences easier and more natural as time goes on.

The only significant challenge of Kriya Yoga is the necessity of daily practice to reap its benefits. However, once you start experiencing the profound bliss and transformation it brings, maintaining the discipline becomes second nature. Waking up early, even at 5:30 a.m., feels effortless because you don’t want to miss out on the rewards of the practice.

That said, you don’t have to wake up at 5:30 a.m. to practice Kriya Yoga. The key is finding a consistent time that works for you. If you’re doing an extensive Kriya routine, it may take some time, so you’ll need to adjust your daily schedule or make lifestyle changes to prioritize it.

Lahiri Mahasaya taught that for the average person, achieving enlightenment is an incredibly slow process that takes millions of incarnation'S. However, Kriya Yoga provides a way to transcend this lengthy process. With dedicated practice, it’s possible to achieve enlightenment in a single lifetime or, at the most, within a few lifetimes for those who progress more slowly. Yogananda encouraged his disciples with the hopeful reminder: “Keep at it! You’re almost there.”

If I have one regret about Kriya Yoga, it’s that I didn’t take it seriously sooner. It has been one of the most transformative decisions of my life.

 

 

This is all 100% accurate. The only thing I would add, and I would include this for most of the traditions, and especially the one's that lean more into the yogic schools of meditation, is the emphasis on transmission, initiation, or diksha for teacher-student, guru-disciple. A lot of people play around with practices they have no initiation or transmission into. Getting transmission from a truly accomplished teacher makes a world of difference. 

Good on you for finding a real practice that works for you and sticking with it every day. Realization is assured. Be well and be free. 

[Salvijus]

8 hours ago, Panteranegra said:

@Ayham

Kriya Yoga truly works if you practice it daily. It requires a great deal of discipline, but the results are absolutely worth it. I received teachings from the Yogananda lineage; my teacher’s guru was Roy Eugene Davis (a direct disciple of Yogananda) . My teacher name is Chris Sartain. I’ve been practicing Kriya Yoga every day, without missing a single session, since October 1st of this year.

The power of Kriya Yoga lies in its transformative effects on the brain. It enhances the functionality of the frontal lobes, improving focus, reducing stress, and quieting the “monkey mind.” It also sharpens your IQ, discernment, and intuition—some of the most tangible physical benefits of the practice.

On an energetic level, Kriya Yoga fosters a subtle sense of bliss. Over time, it cultivates a more positive state of mind, reducing negative thoughts and bringing a sense of inner peace. Unlike psychedelics, which can create intense but fleeting experiences, Kriya Yoga is stable and cumulative—each day’s practice builds upon the last. This is because Kriya systematically dissolves the energetic blockages you’ve accumulated throughout your life.

While psychedelics can be transformative, they often overstimulate the nervous system. Kriya Yoga, on the other hand, strengthens and harmonizes it, promoting long-term health and balance. With consistent practice, it’s even possible to develop siddhis (spiritual powers)—I’ve already experienced one myself. Advanced practitioners can also produce soma, a blissful nectar generated by the brain.

Another hallmark of advanced yogis is the awakening of the sushumna nadi, the central energy channel. This awakening makes accessing mystical experiences easier and more natural as time goes on.

The only significant challenge of Kriya Yoga is the necessity of daily practice to reap its benefits. However, once you start experiencing the profound bliss and transformation it brings, maintaining the discipline becomes second nature. Waking up early, even at 5:30 a.m., feels effortless because you don’t want to miss out on the rewards of the practice.

That said, you don’t have to wake up at 5:30 a.m. to practice Kriya Yoga. The key is finding a consistent time that works for you. If you’re doing an extensive Kriya routine, it may take some time, so you’ll need to adjust your daily schedule or make lifestyle changes to prioritize it.

Lahiri Mahasaya taught that for the average person, achieving enlightenment is an incredibly slow process that takes millions of incarnation'S. However, Kriya Yoga provides a way to transcend this lengthy process. With dedicated practice, it’s possible to achieve enlightenment in a single lifetime or, at the most, within a few lifetimes for those who progress more slowly. Yogananda encouraged his disciples with the hopeful reminder: “Keep at it! You’re almost there.”

If I have one regret about Kriya Yoga, it’s that I didn’t take it seriously sooner. It has been one of the most transformative decisions of my life.

 

 

Wisdom 

[kieranperez]

23 minutes ago, RightHand said:

It can be a great way to be infected with human biases as well.

No human is perfect in this regard. That responsibility lies with the student. A human having flaws and being incomplete in certain areas or perhaps wrong doesn't negate the utility of a powerful teacher to truly humble oneself to and learn from and be willing to be truly vulnerable. Yes, it's important to pick the right teacher in the same way it's important to pick the right person to whom you end up marrying. Be so stringent with your criteria though you'll up learning from no one. I've been and studied directly under some great teachers and none of them ever suggested that one shouldn't question or just believe them. And more importantly, the quality of their direction as a teacher is integrity with what they utter out of their mouths. Some are better at it than others. But again, that's the responsibility on the student to see that. You can't outsource that. And if you want one quality teachings that all teachers worth their salt preach - the responsibility begins and ends with you. The paranoia over "human biases" and needing someone to say all the things you think they should say can become a very paranoid defense to truly being vulnerable and open. Most people here over the years are just people that insulate themselves on the internet and just try emulating Leo anyways. Best you GTFO of your heads and truly find some quality teachers. You'll save yourself years of time and misdirection down wrong roads. Up to you though what you do. 

Edited December 9, 2024 by kieranperez

[Javfly33]

12 hours ago, Jowblob said:

I have been doing kriya yoga from an authentic teacher from lahiri mahasaya lineage so far i can tell you that it's been useless. Kriya yoga is all in the mind and you have to believe in it pretty hard for it to work. Psychedelics is a better and more direct path in my opinion.

bruh...

14 hours ago, OBEler said:

Psychedelics are also a journey and supposed to be a path. Lool at how Leo built up on previous psychedelic trips.

He has not transformed but he does not want to accept it. He just thinks Life is about feeling God or Infinite for some hours and then dreaming again the rest of the time in ego consciousness. Ime there is a higher possibility. 

Stepping into a new territory and leaving your old town for ever. 

Quote

I don't mix up things. Both are tools on jour spiritual journey.

Where is the destination of that path? Unfortunately the destination that was in my case was when laid down the psychedelics and real path began. 

With psychs I see no other path than going and up and down endlessly. When you go up and down constantly are you going somewhere or are you going in circles?

7 hours ago, cetus said:

I totally vanished. What is it when there is no "experience" to be had, and the experiencer vanishes.

 

That´s the goal 😎 To ultimate disappear from experience.

@cetus A wise man once said:

Is easy to not get entangled with pain, misery, sadness. But is much more difficult to not get entangled with pleasurable states: joy, ecstasy, etc...

Even samadhi ultimately will be another attachment. Attachment to ecstasy or Bliss. Even that is not IT

Edited December 9, 2024 by Javfly33

[Jowblob]

3 hours ago, kieranperez said:

No human is perfect in this regard. That responsibility lies with the student. A human having flaws and being incomplete in certain areas or perhaps wrong doesn't negate the utility of a powerful teacher to truly humble oneself to and learn from and be willing to be truly vulnerable. Yes, it's important to pick the right teacher in the same way it's important to pick the right person to whom you end up marrying. Be so stringent with your criteria though you'll up learning from no one. I've been and studied directly under some great teachers and none of them ever suggested that one shouldn't question or just believe them. And more importantly, the quality of their direction as a teacher is integrity with what they utter out of their mouths. Some are better at it than others. But again, that's the responsibility on the student to see that. You can't outsource that. And if you want one quality teachings that all teachers worth their salt preach - the responsibility begins and ends with you. The paranoia over "human biases" and needing someone to say all the things you think they should say can become a very paranoid defense to truly being vulnerable and open. Most people here over the years are just people that insulate themselves on the internet and just try emulating Leo anyways. Best you GTFO of your heads and truly find some quality teachers. You'll save yourself years of time and misdirection down wrong roads. Up to you though what you do. 

There are no quality teachers, it's all in you. 

Bible verses: 1. believe no man or seek god in man in your path.

2. Man is still man

3. The i am is in you not in the outer world.

Because i believed in my kriya guru so much i had great physical suffering because i gave my power away. He also initiated me into kriya and said, i believe you're my first student and im your guru. Think fast because im gonna move to another country

 

@everyone watch out , your outer world is an illussion , dont give your power away to these gurus. Like Leo has said: you're your own guru

[Ishanga]

6 hours ago, kieranperez said:

This is all 100% accurate. The only thing I would add, and I would include this for most of the traditions, and especially the one's that lean more into the yogic schools of meditation, is the emphasis on transmission, initiation, or diksha for teacher-student, guru-disciple. A lot of people play around with practices they have no initiation or transmission into. Getting transmission from a truly accomplished teacher makes a world of difference. 

Good on you for finding a real practice that works for you and sticking with it every day. Realization is assured. Be well and be free. 

Well Said and this is very Important, but is criticized around here for some reason..  Guru's and Teachers talk so much today because this Culture we have requires it, the Guru will adapt to whatever Culture they are in, back in the day they didn't have to talk as much, the ppl were much simpler and receptive to the Guru and his Energies/Transmission, today the ppl are not like this, they are cynical basically, and much too independent/exclusive Minded and Awareness level, they want to do it on their own but this will mean many mistakes and suffering along the way, its so obvious with the ppl around here how they are, its sad..

Why do it this way, when many have done with help via the Guru Disciple path and it can happen with much more Ease and faster!!!

[PurpleTree]

12 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Gosh psychedelics are still wild.

Few hours ago remembered i had some 2cb laying around.

Thought i could do a simple little self loving trip like the guy talked about in the other section.

But instead ended with a few hours of dipping in and out of sanity.

🦭

What’s also funny is that during that trip.

The body started to feel so uncomfortable and tensiony at times that i began doing like natural stretching and yoga poses.

So in a way they go hand in hand psychedelics and this type of stretching yoga.

[Ayham]

15 hours ago, Panteranegra said:

@Ayham

Kriya Yoga truly works if you practice it daily. It requires a great deal of discipline, but the results are absolutely worth it. I received teachings from the Yogananda lineage; my teacher’s guru was Roy Eugene Davis (a direct disciple of Yogananda) . My teacher name is Chris Sartain. I’ve been practicing Kriya Yoga every day, without missing a single session, since October 1st of this year.

The power of Kriya Yoga lies in its transformative effects on the brain. It enhances the functionality of the frontal lobes, improving focus, reducing stress, and quieting the “monkey mind.” It also sharpens your IQ, discernment, and intuition—some of the most tangible physical benefits of the practice.

On an energetic level, Kriya Yoga fosters a subtle sense of bliss. Over time, it cultivates a more positive state of mind, reducing negative thoughts and bringing a sense of inner peace. Unlike psychedelics, which can create intense but fleeting experiences, Kriya Yoga is stable and cumulative—each day’s practice builds upon the last. This is because Kriya systematically dissolves the energetic blockages you’ve accumulated throughout your life.

While psychedelics can be transformative, they often overstimulate the nervous system. Kriya Yoga, on the other hand, strengthens and harmonizes it, promoting long-term health and balance. With consistent practice, it’s even possible to develop siddhis (spiritual powers)—I’ve already experienced one myself. Advanced practitioners can also produce soma, a blissful nectar generated by the brain.

Another hallmark of advanced yogis is the awakening of the sushumna nadi, the central energy channel. This awakening makes accessing mystical experiences easier and more natural as time goes on.

The only significant challenge of Kriya Yoga is the necessity of daily practice to reap its benefits. However, once you start experiencing the profound bliss and transformation it brings, maintaining the discipline becomes second nature. Waking up early, even at 5:30 a.m., feels effortless because you don’t want to miss out on the rewards of the practice.

That said, you don’t have to wake up at 5:30 a.m. to practice Kriya Yoga. The key is finding a consistent time that works for you. If you’re doing an extensive Kriya routine, it may take some time, so you’ll need to adjust your daily schedule or make lifestyle changes to prioritize it.

Lahiri Mahasaya taught that for the average person, achieving enlightenment is an incredibly slow process that takes millions of incarnation'S. However, Kriya Yoga provides a way to transcend this lengthy process. With dedicated practice, it’s possible to achieve enlightenment in a single lifetime or, at the most, within a few lifetimes for those who progress more slowly. Yogananda encouraged his disciples with the hopeful reminder: “Keep at it! You’re almost there.”

If I have one regret about Kriya Yoga, it’s that I didn’t take it seriously sooner. It has been one of the most transformative decisions of my life.

 

 

Thank you for your very detailed answer, I read it multiple times and understood it well.

My questions are:

I have no option for initiation, I live in a part of the world that does not provide that option, what would you recommend from your knowledge?

and what techniques does your routine consist of?

 

Practicing from books have lead me to a lot of confusion due to the differences between various others, and I keep jumping around rather than sticking to something.

Edited December 9, 2024 by Ayham

[kieranperez]

6 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Well Said and this is very Important, but is criticized around here for some reason..  Guru's and Teachers talk so much today because this Culture we have requires it, the Guru will adapt to whatever Culture they are in, back in the day they didn't have to talk as much, the ppl were much simpler and receptive to the Guru and his Energies/Transmission, today the ppl are not like this, they are cynical basically, and much too independent/exclusive Minded and Awareness level, they want to do it on their own but this will mean many mistakes and suffering along the way, its so obvious with the ppl around here how they are, its sad..

Why do it this way, when many have done with help via the Guru Disciple path and it can happen with much more Ease and faster!!!

People aren’t wrong for this either. 
 

In the sense that… it’s really hard to find something or someone trustworthy. The thing is, anything you find in the relatively trustworthy. However enlightened one might be, they still occupy a relative perspective, in a sense.  And the trouble is, we are yearning for the realization of what is Absolute, which is to say, absolutely trustworthy. That which we can always have faith in, in a sense (not blind belief in). 
 

However enlightened one might be, and I’ve met many impressively enlightened people, that doesn’t they cover all their bases. This doesn’t necessarily mean they all have the best conventional views on science, religion, politics, other traditions, other ways of living, nor makes one a good parent. 
 

I personally have struggled with this A LOT precisely because I see teachers that may be cognizant of certain biases or short sighted views. And if I find a teacher that’s not absolutely perfect (from a relative pov which, if we get honest and truly see deeply enough, we’ll probably find that that “perfection” is based on our own sets of biases and preferences). Perfection is truly recognized when we are unburdened from the need to have things fit inside our own preferences and seeing and reality be exactly what it is. I was living in a Zen monastery a few years ago that is quite Green. They did the whole pronoun thing and found a whole slew of people doing the whole “they/them” and even “zi/zir” stuff. Internally I was walking around debating and trying demolish all of them in arguments in my head. ‘Why the fuck are you even here?!?! You aren’t even a fucking body, much less a stupid fucking person whose illusory existence is made up of nothing but language, concepts, conditioning, and mental constructs! Why would you go to Zen monastery, of all places, to adorn and cherish your own bullshit!’ Even some teachers on retreat would give dharma talks about what if The Buddha was trans and would go on covert ramblings that reflected their own prejudices of capitalism. I would go on a tirade in my head because that has nothing to do with Zen practice. It’s about waking up from ALL personal views! And then talks were set up in such a way where the was no discourse, dialogue nor means to challenge what was said. Ironically though, that became a huge medicine for me because as I would sit there I would see I couldn’t let go of my own hatred and anger for this. And the more I sat with it the more I consciously suffered. People were doing and saying things that I reacted to on the basis of what I liked/disliked and loved/hated. I’m a rather intense guy and this would be worked through and shed in very cathartic ways that were both very painful and heart opening. So in a way, bad teachings can be quite the medicine believe it or not. Obviously there’s a limit to that of course. Beyond that it was a pretty damn good monastery but hopefully you see the moral of the story. 
 

This is something I still struggle with but ultimately, it’s never really about the teacher because the external form is merely an aid to your Realization. It is true it is on us. The true teacher acts through the form and both is and isn’t it (nor both nor neither). And when the student is ready the teacher will come. 

[Jowblob]

Im gonna give you all advice since i see most of you live in ignorance.

 

When you follow a guru it will only go so far until you start suffering. Because guru's have their own path/view/reality/understanding/limitations/mind/rules , which means if you go by the path of your guru eventually you will start limiting your own mind and your own personal self expression which will lead to suffering.

Guru is only a quick/short glimpse into the teachings that might benefit you, if you go too far you will be suffering and limiting your godly self expression

 

The suffering that you might experience is not puny and might be tremendous until you start to make right choices again

Edited December 9, 2024 by Jowblob