Breaking news: Syria has been liberated from Assad’s dictatorship

[gambler]

9 hours ago, BlueOak said:

I'm going to reflect it now Bobby:

Russia is okay with taking buffer zones.
China is okay with taking over their neighbors.
Iran drop proxies everywhere they can.

Why shouldn't Turkey and israel do so also? They both have valid security concerns, and its right along their border. Besides this is somewhat hyperbole, all they need is to drop a friendly government in there.

Israel has destabilized the middle east. Netanyahu lobbied for the West to go to war in Iraq, saying they had weapons of mass destruction that threatens "the region". Israel's subjugation of Palestinians has caused so many spill-over wars in Lebanon, not to mention brought great suffering to the Palestinians. It also bolstered the Arab Nationalism movement that gave birth to the Ba'ath party that brought us dictators like Saddam and Assad. As well as bolstering Iran's disastrous involvement in the Arab world. Israel already has two buffer zones. One inside Israel borders and the other is a wide stretch of land within Syria. Golan Heights is not Israel. It's a Syrian land inhabited by Syrians. You don't need a third buffer zone. This gaslighting of security is ridiculous. Go to the Israel deception thread and find my post where its just clips of Netanyahu successfully gaslighting the world.

Edited Wednesday at 11:10 PM by gambler

[Raze]

9 hours ago, BlueOak said:

I'm going to reflect it now Bobby:

Russia is okay with taking buffer zones.
China is okay with taking over their neighbors.
Iran drop proxies everywhere they can.

Why shouldn't Turkey and israel do so also? They both have valid security concerns, and its right along their border. Besides this is somewhat hyperbole, all they need is to drop a friendly government in there.

Israel had a treaty with Syria to not militarize the Golan or invade that Syria followed.

Israel already annexed Golan for a buffer zone. Now they need a buffer zone for the buffer zone? That’s ridiculous, this is a land grab. 

What is an example of China doing something like this? 
 

When Putin does it he is called a war criminal and sanctioned for breaking international law

Edited Wednesday at 11:13 PM by Raze

[BlueOak]

20 hours ago, gambler said:

Israel has destabilized the middle east. Netanyahu lobbied for the West to go to war in Iraq, saying they had weapons of mass destruction that threatens "the region". Israel's subjugation of Palestinians has caused so many spill-over wars in Lebanon, not to mention brought great suffering to the Palestinians. It also bolstered the Arab Nationalism movement that gave birth to the Ba'ath party that brought us dictators like Saddam and Assad. As well as bolstering Iran's disastrous involvement in the Arab world. Israel already has two buffer zones. One inside Israel borders and the other is a wide stretch of land within Syria. Golan Heights is not Israel. It's a Syrian land inhabited by Syrians. You don't need a third buffer zone. This gaslighting of security is ridiculous. Go to the Israel deception thread and find my post where its just clips of Netanyahu successfully gaslighting the world.

You are preaching to the choir. I am not advocating it. The concept of buffer zones is now accepted as normal, and it's incredibly stupid as borders forever shift. It incentivizes people to destabilise nations exactly as you describe in a game of forever chess the world over.

[BlueOak]

21 hours ago, Raze said:

Israel had a treaty with Syria to not militarize the Golan or invade that Syria followed.

Israel already annexed Golan for a buffer zone. Now they need a buffer zone for the buffer zone? That’s ridiculous, this is a land grab. 

What is an example of China doing something like this? 
 

When Putin does it he is called a war criminal and sanctioned for breaking international law

Yes. It's always a land grab. The borders shift, and then a new buffer zone is needed. It's either slow creep where the authoritarian country moves its culture in over years and reduces (or reeducates, kills or imprisons) the local population to homogenize it and moves into the resources or good land. That or a democracy buys up all the resources, sells them franchises or immitation culture, and tries to redefine the country while the locals scratch their heads, asking who wanted you here?

China? They do it every month these days, bringing out a new map. I've lost count of how many border disputes they are in, at land and sea:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China

I mean do you want to focus in on anything specific? Or just the rate of the expansion over time?

Though we should probably start a new thread for that rather than spam these folk.

Edited Thursday at 08:20 PM by BlueOak

[Lyubov]

23 hours ago, Raze said:

Israel had a treaty with Syria to not militarize the Golan or invade that Syria followed.

Israel already annexed Golan for a buffer zone. Now they need a buffer zone for the buffer zone? That’s ridiculous, this is a land grab. 

What is an example of China doing something like this? 
 

When Putin does it he is called a war criminal and sanctioned for breaking international law

I have also gone on record saying I don’t support Israel annexing Syria’s territory. That’s very different from Israel destroying Syrian weapon caches and chemical weapon sites. Those absolutely should be destroyed. This shit is nuanced. Those weapons won’t defend a new Syrian state. They will be used on Syrian civilians if the new state is threatened. 

[zazen]

It's a false equivalence to conflate territorial disputes with conquest. This is why context matters because two actors can do the same act on the surface but inhabit totally different realities. They'll get the same headline but have different stories. It's technically true that both Israel and China are getting more land, but not totally true in the sense of the how and why. That's the difference between being a dominant player and a dominating player in a game.

Israel’s actions are like breaking into someone’s house, evicting them, and claiming the deed as your own - quite literally in this case. China’s disputes are like arguing over where the fence should go between two yards that have been poorly marked for decades. It's messy and contentious but not outright subjugation and war between neighbors.

Saying China has so many territorial disputes, therefore implying it's imperial and expansionist, is like saying America has the most laws in the world, therefore it’s tyrannical and anti-freedom - a libertarian position. Asia and specifically Southeast Asian has a distinct geography with plenty of archipelagos and islands that are being worked out between neighboring countries - that doesn't equate to any of them being imperially expansionist - unless we broaden the definition of the word to include every assertive act of a nation as such.

From Chat GPT:

The Neighborhood Analogy 

Picture a chaotic neighborhood where no one can agree on boundaries, and everyone has their own interpretation of the rules. Let’s break it down:

China: China’s the neighbor obsessing over the property lines. They’ve dusted off some ancient maps their ancestors drew centuries ago and insist the shared driveway belongs to them. Sure, they’ve put up a few fences and planted some shrubs on disputed land, but no one’s been kicked out, and they’re still yelling about it at every block meeting. This isn’t imperialism; it’s territorial nitpicking.

Russia: Russia’s watching nervously as NATO, a known homewrecker with a baseball bat, moves into the neighbor’s house. Russia doesn’t trust this situation, so they break into the yard, lock the shed (Crimea), and stand guard over their cousins camping out in the backyard (Donbass). It’s messy and aggressive, but they see it as survival, not conquest.

Israel: Israel’s playing an entirely different game. They march into someone else’s house, bulldoze half of it, remodel the rest, and claim it was theirs all along. They don’t just stop there—they move their friends in and put locks on every door. It’s not about defense; it’s about occupation and domination.

America: The U.S.? They’re the neighborhood enforcer, walking around with a clipboard and a security badge they gave themselves. They install cameras on every street, charge tolls on the roads, and sometimes bulldoze whole blocks because they think the layout “needs improvement.” They say it’s for everyone’s safety, but somehow, their house gets bigger and shinier every year.

Edited Friday at 09:52 AM by zazen

[integration journey]

[integration journey]

[Raze]

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One hurt after IDF opens fire at group protesting Israeli presence in south Syria

Army says soldiers shot suspect in leg after spotting ‘threat that required action to remove’; incident comes day after Maariya residents said troops blocked them from their fields

https://www.timesofisrael.com/one-said-hurt-after-idf-opens-fire-at-group-protesting-israeli-presence-in-south-syria/

Edited Friday at 11:00 PM by Raze

[Bobby_2021]

On 12/20/2024 at 3:53 AM, Lyubov said:

That’s very different from Israel destroying Syrian weapon caches and chemical weapon sites. Those absolutely should be destroyed. This shit is nuanced. Those weapons won’t defend a new Syrian state. They will be used on Syrian civilians if the new state is threatened. 

Oh yeah protection of civilians is of utmost importance to the IDF. They always take care to destroy everything that can be  possibly used on civilians. 

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CNN posting fake news about liberating prisoners of Assad. 

The entire media ecosystem in Syria has been polluted by western NGOs and corporate media who have their own interests. It's not even worth going against it. 

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https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/us-lift-10-million-bounty-de-facto-syrian-leaders-head-rcna185076

US to remove the $10 million bounty on the head of (ex?) terrorist leader of Syria.

Edited yesterday at 03:22 AM by Bobby_2021

[integration journey]

 

[integration journey]

4 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Oh yeah protection of civilians is of utmost importance to the IDF. They always take care to destroy everything that can be  possibly used on civilians. 

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CNN posting fake news about liberating prisoners of Assad. 

The entire media ecosystem in Syria has been polluted by western NGOs and corporate media who have their own interests. It's not even worth going against it. 

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https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/us-lift-10-million-bounty-de-facto-syrian-leaders-head-rcna185076

US to remove the $10 million bounty on the head of (ex?) terrorist leader of Syria.

Yes the bounty is removed.

That bounty should be on the biggest terrorist in the history of Syria which is Assad. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 08:04 AM by integration journey
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[Bobby_2021]

I can't help but draw parallels to all the situations in the past where the exact same pattern happened in cartoonish like similarly.

1. Iran 1953.

CIA overthrew Mossadegh and installed a western puppet shah, which ultimately led to the Islamic revolution of 1979. Now Iran is the biggest pain in the ass to the westen led order.

2. CIA supporting and funding Mujahedden in Afganistan in the 80s to lure the soviets in.

Now they are known as the Taliban and they became a humiliation and waste of Trillions to the west.

3. Israel supporting and finding radical extremist groups in to counter the moderate PLO. 

Now hamas is their biggest pain in the ass.

All of them work in Timelines of a couple of decades. 

4......

Now they are supporting and making relations with (ex?) Al-quada leader who even killed American soldiers. This guy literally praised 9/11.

This radical headchopper and internationally recognised terrorist who had experience in insurgency is supposed to be better in governance of a complicated society than some eye doctor?

Syria is going to be another long term quagmire for western conquest that is going to economically bankrupt them. Putin is playing 4d chess here. Think long term. 

Syria being a complicated society makes it all the while more important that you don't do regime changes there because it's hard to properly govern a complicated society. 

For a final say, where are all the die hard Palestine warriors on this fourm? The palestinian cause is good as dead now. 

Now when shit hits the fan, don't come asking Russia or Iran for help because there will not be.

[integration journey]

4 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

I can't help but draw parallels to all the situations in the past where the exact same pattern happened in cartoonish like similarly.

1. Iran 1953.

CIA overthrew Mossadegh and installed a western puppet shah, which ultimately led to the Islamic revolution of 1979. Now Iran is the biggest pain in the ass to the westen led order.

2. CIA supporting and funding Mujahedden in Afganistan in the 80s to lure the soviets in.

Now they are known as the Taliban and they became a humiliation and waste of Trillions to the west.

3. Israel supporting and finding radical extremist groups in to counter the moderate PLO. 

Now hamas is their biggest pain in the ass.

All of them work in Timelines of a couple of decades. 

4......

Now they are supporting and making relations with (ex?) Al-quada leader who even killed American soldiers. This guy literally praised 9/11.

This radical headchopper and internationally recognised terrorist who had experience in insurgency is supposed to be better in governance of a complicated society than some eye doctor?

Syria is going to be another long term quagmire for western conquest that is going to economically bankrupt them. Putin is playing 4d chess here. Think long term. 

Syria being a complicated society makes it all the while more important that you don't do regime changes there because it's hard to properly govern a complicated society. 

For a final say, where are all the die hard Palestine warriors on this fourm? The palestinian cause is good as dead now. 

Now when shit hits the fan, don't come asking Russia or Iran for help because there will not be.

yes. Believe it or not. The radical head chopper you are taking about is going to govern better than the known Hitler 2.0 eye doctor Assad slaughterhouse guy. And the weeks and months will tell. Mark my words. Cope harder

atlead he had leadership positions in the past.
Assad went from being a student to a president of a country like WTF? Just because of his daddy who was also president. He doesn’t know shit about anything. 

The examples you provided have nothing to do with Syria.

you have to think of Turkey which borders Syria and  is the biggest player here and will support this new Syria. 

Putin and Iran are out of the game since Assad is out. 
 

New Syria needs to make alliance with Europe and the US. Assad made alliances and sold the country to Iran and Russia which took Syria backwards 100 years. We need new strategic alliances in the region with Turkey, Qatar, Saudi and Europe. 
Iran had a radical ideology of doing demographic change in Syria and Assad bought into it so I’m so glad Iran is out. They massacred my people like crazy with their milita. 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by integration journey
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[Bobby_2021]

@integration journey Assad has deeply penetrated the psyche of the Syrian people and will continue to influence Syria. 2 Decades of rule was not for nothing. 

21 hours ago, integration journey said:

Allowing Israel, Turks and US to steal Syrian land is peak Syrian for you.

 Also was that Jolani guy even born in Syria or even lived in it enough to understand to govern it? 

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One thing is for certain, the coordinated yet unexpected clash of events suggest only one thing. The highest levels of decision making from the Axis of resistence knows what they are doing. This is not the win that the west thinks they have got. They are unknowingly walking into another Afganistan, although this is certainly a win in the short term for them. 

[integration journey]

19 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

@integration journey Assad has deeply penetrated the psyche of the Syrian people and will continue to influence Syria. 2 Decades of rule was not for nothing. 

Allowing Israel, Turks and US to steal Syrian land is peak Syrian for you.

 Also was that Jolani guy even born in Syria or even lived in it enough to understand to govern it? 

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One thing is for certain, the coordinated yet unexpected clash of events suggest only one thing. The highest levels of decision making from the Axis of resistence knows what they are doing. This is not the win that the west thinks they have got. They are unknowingly walking into another Afganistan, although this is certainly a win in the short term for them. 

Allowing Syria to be sold to Iran and Russia so he can remain on the throne was peak Assad for me. 
plot twist: Syria was already turning into an Afghanistan under Assad and Iranian rule and the Syrian people saved it from going backwards even more on December 8th

Edited 16 hours ago by integration journey
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[rnd]

I always wonder: why is it, according to the Western analytics, that when any country turns to Russia, China and any non-Western country, it's always "a country has SOLD itself".

Whenever, by the contrast, it turns to any Western country, it's "finally it's consciously, with wisdom, vicely, with the choice of ITS people, with heart, made the right choice".

 

Who, the collective West (UK, Spain, Portugal, France, USA) or China, Russia, Iran... is known to have had colonies? That is, enslaved the whole countries for centuries. In case of USA it's Liberia.

Edited 10 hours ago by rnd

[integration journey]

2 hours ago, rnd said:

I always wonder: why is it, according to the Western analytics, that when any country turns to Russia, China and any non-Western country, it's always "a country has SOLD itself".

Whenever, by the contrast, it turns to any Western country, it's "finally it's consciously, with wisdom, vicely, with the choice of ITS people, with heart, made the right choice".

 

Who, the collective West (UK, Spain, Portugal, France, USA) or China, Russia, Iran... is known to have had colonies? That is, enslaved the whole countries for centuries. In case of USA it's Liberia.

Because we lived in Syria and saw what Iran and Russia did to our country 

Russia established Military bases and helped Assad bomb cities and turn them into rubble.

Russia is the biggest export of wheat in the world why didn’t it help the Syrian people but only bombed our cities and villages ? 

Iran was worse, demographic change was their plan in Syria and they hired mercenaries from poor countries like Afghanistan and Iraq to help keep Assad in power in Syria. They committed many documented horrific massacres in the last 10 years.

This is just one of the Iranian mercenarie groups that helped keep Assad in power:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liwa_Fatemiyoun

I’m also willing to bet that Iran had to do something with creating ISIS

Edited 8 hours ago by integration journey
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[Bobby_2021]

3 hours ago, integration journey said:

Russia is the biggest export of wheat in the world why didn’t it help the Syrian people but only bombed our cities and villages ? 

Because of western sanctions. These sanctions complicate the financial transactions and the black market will boom will only lead to more corruption. 

You pretend sanctions don't exist at all? 

How come you don't have a problem with US occupying Syrian oil fields? 

This is broad daylight stealing. 

This doesn't qualify as selling out? Israel and US is already occupying and bombing your country's military assets more than Assad in a period of 10 days and you are totally chill about it.